Physiological Effects of Shabad Guru

Guru Singh talks about the science of sound and how the Shabad Guru works to uplift your consciousness. The tones register in your nervous system to have a response mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically. Shabads work with tone, word, sound, rhythm, melody to alter your psyche.

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August 28, 2009 - 4:25am — himmat_singh

jssingh ji; Well stated and I pray people listen to you

Sat Sri Akal

Dear J S Sidhu ji, I can't recommend and echo enough your statement in your post entitled "Why thou shalt poison my nectar O MOST LEARNED ONE?"

Well said and we live in hope that people take note and act accordingly.

These divisive actions comments and arguments are helping nobody but are hurting a lot of people

Himmat Singh

Waheguru ji ki Fateh

August 27, 2009 - 1:21pm — SikhoJago

Addressed to Guru Singh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Ji Guru Singh Ji, Your thoughts are very pleasant and reflect a very deep connection and sweet experience with Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I would like add something that I felt when I listened your words, so that we stay aware of the fact that in Kirtan, the raag, naad, swar, tones, sound, rhythem, melody,word sound etc. are all a throne on which the shabad Guru Sits. But all these things are not Guru. Guru is gurbani. => Bani Guru Guru Hai Bani, vich bani amrit saare, Bani Kahe Sewak Jan Maane, partakh guru nistaare|| Please have no doubt that unless you practice and understand the hukam, you are just enjoying sounds. That can be accomplished from symphonies and hip hop(for some people) too. Now there is a big importance on just reading gurbani, listening kirtan, even if one doesnt fully understand, and what you are saying completely applies there. Still, our emphasis must be on Guru, and not the Throne that guru sits on. That is something we must always mention, no matter how deep a scientific or heartfelt experience we share. Guru has the deepest impact on one's Karam, if sang in the proper Raag, but that doesnt mean that the raag has become Guru, Guru will be the principle or thought modulated over this raag. Sikhi sikhya Gur Vichaar, Nadri Karam langahe paar. Forgive me for my mistakes, for Khalsa is Guru and Guru is khalsa. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Ji Inderjit Singh
August 12, 2009 - 8:03am — lakwinder singh

Satnam anand I am asking for

Satnam anand

I am asking for what you promised me to show.

I REpeat

Wherein Dasam granth is veneration of Hindu deities as you claimed.

Not me but you are guys along some heretics of faridabad who have no base among sikhs are hired for doing anti sikh propaganda. We are baptized by banis three are from dasam granth. You use a rogue's language for this scripture. That shows your disdain for sikhism.

I have this place to catch you and i will keep on asking the same question. Persons like you are doing the greatest damage to sikhism.

August 27, 2009 - 1:55pm — SikhoJago

Please dont be a part of mass level blasphemy.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Ji It hurts deep in the heart to hear sikhs and non-sikhs, talking so negative about Siri Dasam Granth sahib. This must stop khalsa Ji, and non-khalsa ji. With the grace of donor of sons, true emperor, 10 Guru sahib, I have had the pleasure of reading though the full Dasam granth sahib Ji. I tried to capture meanings of almost all of it, from various sources and the blessing of Guru. I understand where all the confusion is coming from. When we ask our brains, it confuses us, but when we do an ardaas to Siri guru Granth sahib ji, it allows you to clear all confusions. All the deities mentioned in Dasam Granth sahib are from Hindu Myths during 17th century. Guru put them all together, as a way to understand the existence of all these"so called Gods" and their stories, So that Guru Ka Sikh never has to go to a Brahmin and get misled. Also Guru sahib never had anything bad to say about the good deeds of these great people, but he tirelessly expressed his message of one God, that created these "Gods or demons etc." So that we stay clear of ideas that drag us in million different directions. Guru Sahib doesnt care what he says, she says, SGPC says or indra gandhi says, bajpayee says or badal says, or any Sant says, or you and I say. Idle minds discuss people. Here is what Guru says, and we read it every evening from times immemorial: Just a few examples: Tav parsaad swaiyye, sawaiyye in Rehraas sahib, raam rahi puran quran, anek kahe mat ek na janeyo|| Siri Jaap Sahib, same exact love for one God, and emphasis on Karam and bhakti as Siri Guru GRanth. Swaiyya #20 โ€“ Kaey ko poojat pahan ko kcho pahan mai Parmesar nahi. Ta ko pooj Prabhu kar kai jeh poojat hi aap ogh mitas. Aadhi reaadhe kai bandhan jaituk nam kai lat subaii chut kaei. Tahi ko dhian parman sada ein photak dharma karai phal nahi. (20) Swaiyya # 21 โ€“ Phokat dharma bhio phal heen jo pooj sila jug kot gavaei. Sidh keha sil kai pasai bal birdh ghati nav nidh na paei. Aaj hi aaj samo jo bityo neh kaj saryo kach laqj na aaei. Sri Bhagwant bhjio na aria jarh aisai hi ais so bais gavaei, (21) Swaiyya # 22- Jo jug tai tupsa kuch tohe parsunne na pahun kai hai. Hath othaey bhali bidhi jo jarh tohe kachoo bar dan na dai hai. Koan bhos bhya eiko keho bhar pari neh aani bachai hai. Jan re jan ajan hathi eih phokat dharma so bharamgavai hai. (22) Swaiyya # 23 โ€“ Kal badhai sub hi mirat kai kouo Ram Rasool na bachan paey. Danav Dev Phunind Dharadhar bhoot bhuvikh opaey mitaey. Auntmarai pachotaey pirathi par jo jug mai avtar karaey. Re mun lail eikail hi Kal kai lagat kahe na paein dhaey. 23. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx TRANSLATION SWAIYYA 20 - Why worship the stones , when the Lord-God is not within stones? Worship Formless God only, Who rids of all the sins and sorrow. With the remembrance of the Name of the Lord, all sufferings of the sickness of body and mind are removed. Ever mediate on the Lord God alone, because other hollow religious rituals will not bear any fruit. 20. Swaiyya 21 โ€“ Addiction to the hollow religion became fruitless and O being ! thereby Man has lost crores of years in worshipping the stones fruitlessly. No one attains to anything by the worship of stones; the strength and glory only decreases. In this way, the time was lost uselessly and nothing was achieved. The people were not ashamed; O foolish intellect ! you have not remembered the Lord and have wasted away your life in vain .21. Swaiyya 22 - One may even perform the austerities for an age, but these stones will not fulfill his wishes and please him; they will not raise their hands and grant you the boon. They can`t be trusted, because in the time of any difficulty, they will not reach and save you, therefore, O ignorant and persistent being ! you may become careful of the danger, that these hollow religious rituals will ever destroy your honor .22. Swaiyya # 23 - All the beings are entrapped in the nose of death and no Ram or Rasul (Prophet) could not escape form it. The Creator Lord created demos, gods and all other beings living on the earth and also destroys them. Those who are known as incarnations in the world, they also ultimately repented and passed away; therefore, O my mind! why do you not run catch the feet of that Supreme KAL i.e. the Lord. (23.) No one will guide anyone so easily, profoundly, in detail, through the complexities created by pandits and times and ages, as Siri guru Gobind singh has already done for us. We have to trust the Guru. Guru nanak says: Dont question guru, its a sign of pride and ego, but rather do ardaas if you have confusions, so that Guru may do bakhshish on you and answer your doubts.. You can ask questions from Guru as a student, but not question guru's hukam, because most of the time you wont understand right away.. Khalsa Ji- if we are not going to read anything, understand it, and follow it, and experience it, its a matter of time that we will start feeling uncomfortable around it. Siri Dasam Granth is a vast sea of knowledge that will run through you like a sword, and clear your concience. Thats only if your intention is not to just talk and score points over each other, with no consideration of Guru's respect and respect for fellow khalsa Jis. Your intention has to become a Guru Ka pyara Sikh. Thats a blessing I beg from you Khalsa Ji, so I can be a humble servant of Guru and use life for a greater good of mankind, instead of waging hindu, sikh,muslim, christian etc... battles of so called intellectuals.. If any brother or sister has questions, doubts confusions etc. please do ardaas, lets all submit to akal purakh first. And all the ones that are dead set against SiriDasam Granth Sahib, May God Bless you too. Because Khalsa is Guru, and Guru is khalsa. Forgive me for my mistakes. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji KI Fateh.
August 12, 2009 - 9:52am — satnam_anand

Lakwinder Singh: My bhulad (ignorant) Sikh veer. - III

Lakwinder Singh (my bhulad veer), S.G.P.C. vide its resolution number 36672 dated 3rd August 1973, has accepted the position that 923 pages of Charitropakhyan are Puranic myths, unconnected with the Guru Gobind Singh Ji. With time you will realize who is doing damage to the Panth and then you will regret. People like you who wittingly or unwittingly are attributing such crap to the pen of Guru Gobind Singh are committing an unpardonable sin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlOHY9JVFM is the answer to your your silly question. NOW YOU COME OUT CLEAR WITH YOUR STAND ON WHY YOUR CONCERN FOR SIKHI IS LIMITED ONLY TO THE CONTROVERSIAL BOOK BACHITTAR NATAK.Why does your Sikhi begin and end on the Bachittar Natak. YOU ARE NOT AT ALL CONCERNED WITH ANYOTHER MATTER THAT IS BEING FACED BY SIKHS TODAY . WHY??? EXPLAIN YOUR SILENCE ON >>> other important SIKH affairs like 'High Court order on Sehejdharis', 'Ban on Sikh Turbans in French schools', 'Demand for separate Gurudwara Committee of Haryana', 'Serious issue of apostasy in Sikh youth' alongwith allegations (by a regular non Sikh visitor on this site) on the integrity of Sikhs, Allegation that "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled", โ€œAllegation that Indian Army action on Akal Takhat was because of Sikhs themselvesโ€, โ€œAllegation that how anyone say that Sikhs brought freedom to Indiaโ€, โ€œAllegation that P.M. Indira Gandhi was backstabbed by Sikhs and thatโ€™s why Sikhs were killed in 1984 riots the matterโ€ raised on this site. YOUR SILENCE PROVES YOU TO BE JUST A PROFESSIONAL GUARD HIRED BY INTERESTED PARTIES. PERHAPS YOU HAVE ORDERS ONLY TO REACT TO COMMENTS ON BN AND PURPOSELY IGNORE ALL OTHERS. THAT'S WHY YOU DID NOT UTTER A WORD OF PROTEST OR POST A SINGLE COMMENT AGAINST ANOTHER NON-SIKH PERSON WHO BLATANTLY ABUSED GURBANI OF SGGS AND BADMOUTHED GURU ARJAN DEV JI, BUT YOU PROP UP LIKE MUSHROOM IN RAINY SEASON ON A MERE MENTION OF BN.>>>> It seems you are not just bhulad (ignorant) but bhulad (forgetful) also. You have not read my reply-II carefully in which I had given you a link wherein it is explained in details how BN is just a plain simple word to word, page wise translation of Brahmini Granth Markandey Puran which is nothing but veneration of Durga. YOU MAY ALSO VISIT THIS SITE>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MID70V3oGI4.AND FEEL ASHAMED OF YOURSELF TO CLAIM THAT BN IS THE WORK OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI.
August 12, 2009 - 11:59am — lakwinder singh

satnam anand As usual this is

satnam anand

As usual this is a lie by you.

it is not SGPC's work to issue edicts on religious scriptures. If there is a letter show me. Otherwise it is a propaganda.

Let me tell you that letter is a fake brought out by anti sikh forces. show me and i will prove to you.

Do not put you tube for me from a gurudokhi third grade fellow. You tell me what made you to say that Dasam granth venerates deities of hinduism. I say it does not.

here is the proof of dasam granth's stand on hindu deities. Rebut this by showing me where does it worship.
Also learn to know what is the purpose of a myth.

เจ•เจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจ•เฉเจฐเจฟเจธเจจ เจธเฉ‡ เจ•เฉ€เจŸ เจ•เฉ‹เจŸเฉˆ เจฌเจจเจพเจ เฅฅ เจ•เจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจฐเจพเจฎ เจธเฉ‡ เจฎเฉ‡เจŸเจฟ เจกเจพเจฐเฉ‡ เจ‰เจชเจพเจ เฅฅ
เค•เคฟเคคเฅ‡ เค•เฅเคฐเคฟเคธเคจ เคธเฅ‡ เค•เฅ€เคŸ เค•เฅ‹เคŸเฅˆ เคฌเคจเคพเค เฅฅ เค•เคฟเคคเฅ‡ เคฐเคพเคฎ เคธเฅ‡ เคฎเฅ‡เคŸเคฟ เคกเคพเคฐเฅ‡ เค‰เคชเคพเค เฅฅ
Somewhere He hath created millions of the insects like Krishna.
Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama.

เจฎเจนเจพเจฆเฉ€เจจ เจ•เฉ‡เจคเฉ‡ เจชเฉเจฐเจฟเจฅเฉ€ เจฎเจพเจ‚เจ เจนเฉ‚เจ เฅฅ เจธเจฎเฉˆ เจ†เจชเจจเฉ€ เจ†เจชเจจเฉ€ เจ…เฉฐเจค เจฎเฉ‚เจ เฅฅเฉจเฉญเฅฅ
เคฎเคนเคพเคฆเฅ€เคจ เค•เฅ‡เคคเฅ‡ เคชเฅเคฐเคฟเคฅเฅ€ เคฎเคพเค‚เค เคนเฅ‚เค เฅฅ เคธเคฎเฅˆ เค†เคชเคจเฅ€ เค†เคชเคจเฅ€ เค…เค‚เคค เคฎเฅ‚เค เฅฅเฅจเฅญเฅฅ
Many Muhammads had been on the earth.
They were born and then died in their own times. 27.

เจœเจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจฐเจพเจฎ เจธเฉ‡ เจ•เฉเจฐเจฟเจธเจจ เจนเฉเจ‡ เจฌเจฟเจธเจจ เจ†เจ เฅฅ เจคเจฟเจคเจฟเจ“ เจ•เจพเจฒ เจ–เจพเจชเจฟเจ“ เจจ เจคเฉ‡ เจ•เจพเจฒ เจ˜เจพเจ เฅฅเฉจเฉฎเฅฅ
เคœเคฟเคคเฅ‡ เคฐเคพเคฎ เคธเฅ‡ เค•เฅเคฐเคฟเคธเคจ เคนเฅเค‡ เคฌเคฟเคธเคจ เค†เค เฅฅ เคคเคฟเคคเคฟเค“ เค•เคพเคฒ เค–เคพเคชเคฟเค“ เคจ เคคเฅ‡ เค•เคพเคฒ เค˜เคพเค เฅฅเฅจเฅฎเฅฅ
All the incarnations of Vishnu like Rama and Krishan were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him. 28.

เจœเจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจ‡เฉฐเจฆเฉเจฐ เจธเฉ‡ เจšเฉฐเจฆเฉเจฐ เจธเฉ‡ เจนเฉ‹เจค เจ†เจ เฅฅ เจคเจฟเจคเจฟเจ“ เจ•เจพเจฒ เจ–เจพเจชเจพ เจจ เจคเฉ‡ เจ•เจพเจฒเจฟ เจ˜เจพเจ เฅฅ
เคœเคฟเคคเฅ‡ เค‡เค‚เคฆเฅเคฐ เคธเฅ‡ เคšเค‚เคฆเฅเคฐ เคธเฅ‡ เคนเฅ‹เคค เค†เค เฅฅ เคคเคฟเคคเคฟเค“ เค•เคพเคฒ เค–เคพเคชเคพ เคจ เคคเฅ‡ เค•เคพเคฒเคฟ เค˜เคพเค เฅฅ
All the indras and Chandras (moons) who came into being were destroyed by KAL, but they could not destroy him.

เจฐเจธเจพเจตเจฒ เจ›เฉฐเจฆ เฅฅ
เคฐเคธเคพเคตเคฒ เค›เค‚เคฆ เฅฅ
RASAAVAL STANZA

เจœเจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจฐเจพเจฎ เจนเฉ‚เจ เฅฅ เจธเจญเฉˆ เจ…เฉฐเจคเจฟ เจฎเฉ‚เจ เฅฅ
เคœเคฟเคคเฅ‡ เคฐเคพเคฎ เคนเฅ‚เค เฅฅ เคธเคญเฅˆ เค…เค‚เคคเคฟ เคฎเฅ‚เค เฅฅ
All the Ramas who incarnated, ultimately passed away.

เจœเจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจ•เฉเจฐเจฟเจธเจจ เจนเฉเจตเฉˆ เจนเฉˆเจ‚ เฅฅ เจธเจญเฉˆ เจ…เฉฐเจคเจฟ เจœเฉˆ เจนเฉˆเจ‚ เฅฅเฉญเฉฆเฅฅ
เคœเคฟเคคเฅ‡ เค•เฅเคฐเคฟเคธเคจ เคนเฅเคตเฅˆ เคนเฅˆเค‚ เฅฅ เคธเคญเฅˆ เค…เค‚เคคเคฟ เคœเฅˆ เคนเฅˆเค‚ เฅฅเฅญเฅฆเฅฅ
All the Krishnas, who had incarnated, have all passed away.70.

เจœเจฟเจคเฉ‡ เจฆเฉ‡เจต เจนเฉ‹เจธเฉ€ เฅฅ เจธเจญเฉˆ เจ…เฉฐเจค เจœเจพเจธเฉ€ เฅฅ
เคœเคฟเคคเฅ‡ เคฆเฅ‡เคต เคนเฅ‹เคธเฅ€ เฅฅ เคธเคญเฅˆ เค…เค‚เคค เคœเคพเคธเฅ€ เฅฅ
All the gods who will come into being in future, they will all ultimately expire.

Bachitra natak,

August 17, 2009 - 6:41am — satnam_anand

Why your Sikhi is limited only to bn????

Lakhwinder Singh, (1) Atlast you admit now on your own that original name of your so called DG is 'Bachitra Natak'. >>>"All the gods who will come into being in future, they will all ultimately expire." Bachitra natak (2). How silly of you to contradict yourself; at one point you quote hukamnama of SGPC Jathedars to clarify your position that the supporters/promotersf BN are free to give befitting reply to its opposers and today you say, "it is not SGPC's work to issue edicts on religious scriptures." FYKI all decisions regarding Sikhs whether religious, social or political are taken unfotunately by illiterate & handpicked jathedars on behalf of unprincipled and corrupt Supreme Boss (M/s. BADAL & SONS) of S.G.P.C. I am giving you the details of the resolution once again; number 36672 dated 3rd August 1973, has accepted the position that 923 pages of Charitropakhyan are Puranic myths, unconnected with the Guru Gobind Singh Ji. MAKE YOUR OWN EFFORTS AND CONFIRM THE DETAILS FROM SGPC. >>>>> WITHOUT RESORTING TO ANY NEW ANTICS OR EXCUSES YOU COME OUT CLEAR WITH YOUR STAND ON WHY YOUR CONCERN FOR SIKHI IS LIMITED ONLY TO THE CONTROVERSIAL BOOK BACHITTAR NATAK.Why does your Sikhi begin and end on the Bachittar Natak. YOU ARE NOT AT ALL CONCERNED WITH ANYOTHER MATTER THAT IS BEING FACED BY SIKHS TODAY . WHY???????? EXPLAIN YOUR SILENCE ON >>> other important SIKH affairs like 'High Court order on Sehejdharis', 'Ban on Sikh Turbans in French schools', 'Demand for separate Gurudwara Committee of Haryana', 'Serious issue of apostasy in Sikh youth' alongwith allegations (by a regular non Sikh visitor on this site) on the integrity of Sikhs, Allegation that "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled", โ€œAllegation that Indian Army action on Akal Takhat was because of Sikhs themselvesโ€, โ€œAllegation that how anyone say that Sikhs brought freedom to Indiaโ€, โ€œAllegation that P.M. Indira Gandhi was backstabbed by Sikhs and thatโ€™s why Sikhs were killed in 1984 riots the matterโ€ raised on this site. YOUR SILENCE ON THE ABOVE CONFIRMS THAT YOU ARE JUST A PROFESSIONAL GUARD HIRED BY VESTED INTERESTS. HAD YOU BEEN A SIKH YOU COULD NOT HAVE IGNORED THE INSULT OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB. IF IT IS NOT SO THEN WHY YOU DID NOT UTTER A WORD OF PROTEST OR POST A SINGLE COMMENT AGAINST ANOTHER NON-SIKH PERSON WHO BLATANTLY ABUSED GURBANI OF SGGS AND BADMOUTHED GURU ARJAN DEV JI, BUT YOU PROP UP LIKE MUSHROOM IN RAINY SEASON ON A MERE MENTION OF BN.>>>>(QUOTE) : "Where it is written that SGGS is ordained as our Guru? Can you show me?Where is damdami bir of Guru sahib?" YOU HAVE EARNED THE IGNOMINY OF BEING THE BIGGEST GUR NINDAK OF THE UNIVERSE. SHAME ON YOU TO CAST DOUBTS ON THE AUTHORITY OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AS THE UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED GURU OF SIKHS.
August 12, 2009 - 11:21am — satnam_anand

GURNINDAK/PANTH DOKHI YOU'LL BE PUNISHED.

GURNINDAK LAKWINDER SINGH, Sant Sipahi magazine has been taken over by another 'Bachittar Natakiya' like you named G.S.Lamba. Even otherwise how do you think you are going to prove the authenticity of your exhibits called hand witten BN. BY QUESTIONING SGGS ( MAY BE IN ANY CONTEXT) YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE CONFIRMED ANTI-SIKHS, GUR-NINDAKS AND PANTH DOKHIS. YOUR SHAMELESS KARTOOT WILL NOT GO UNNOTICED OR UNPUNISHED I PROMISE YOU THAT. BEAWARE.
August 12, 2009 - 12:18pm — lakwinder singh

Satnam anand You have done

Satnam anand

You have done enough damage to sikh instutitions by name calling bani of tenth master. We are not going to take it anymore.

Sant sipahi is not producing handwritten birs themselves. They are available and he is rebutting vicious propaganda of anti sikh agents. Rebut if you have truth on your side by giving evidence in support of your claim. That is what i am asking you and you are getting blue now as you are caught lying.

Tell me what are your whereabouts and i will come and file a case of criminal conduct for hurting feelings of sikhs.

If you are a sikh you will not hide.

August 11, 2009 - 8:58am — Rena Kalsi

Explanation of Shabad Guru

Guru Singh ji's brief explanation of Shabad Guru is the first that I have heard since my "surat" of 30 years. Thank you.
August 9, 2009 - 7:59am — JAGJIT SINGH MU...

SHABAD GURU SHOULD NOT BE

SHABAD GURU SHOULD NOT BE MAKE COMPLICATED.MEDITATING ON GODS'NAME WAHEGURU AND INTUNE IT WITH SURT MAKES THE CIRCLE COMPLETE.IT IS VERY DIFFICULTE TO EXPLANE IT IN FEW WORDS. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KE FATEH.
August 8, 2009 - 10:37am — HSJagdev

I liked this explanation. It

I liked this explanation. It fits in with my understanding also and also the understanding of many maha purakhs over the last few decades. You can try to understand every single meaning of SGGSJI. However, as we all know the meanings keep changing with understanding. As Sant Maskeen also said. When he was younger his gyan of the bani was different to when he got older. Hence the slightly different versions of his explantions. In the same way our aim is to meditate. If we go too much in to gian we will never know enough and keep arguing over interpretations. Instead lets go in to the shabd and feel the resonance of the naad. Once you get to this point. You will automatically understand every shabd in the bani. Not only each word but literally each and every letter will have a meaning of its own. These are my humble opinions. Regards Harminder Singh
August 8, 2009 - 9:08am — K.J.SINGH

In Response to Veer Ji Guru Singh Ji's comments "Its often said"

"It's often said that its less important what a Shabd means than what it does." I beg to differ with you on that statement, I think it is Both important to know what a Shabd means , and what it does, please correct me on this, this is just an example . Every word which Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote in compiling Sri Sukhmani Sahib Ji were words coming directly from the lips of a transcendental person, he was actually seeing that person, we refer to as Sri Wahaguru Ji, thats why he NEVER denied Personality. Guru Arjan Dev Ji then wrote it in the spiritual language "Gurmukhi" in which he received the transcendental message, it was incessant comming one after an other, each and every word he wrote is a Shabd, because it is coming from God, God is absolute, there is No difference between Sri Wahaguru Ji and His words, thats His absolute position, that means that there is NO difference between Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji and Sri Waha Guru Ji, our Gurus and God and as such Gurus are RESPECTED on the same level as God, even Pious Sants who are conveying the transcendental message with NO selfish or ulteria motives are seen by those who are highly elevated on the same level of our Gurus , because they are representatives of our Gurus, this is hard to accept by the average Sikh. Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji is treated as a Transcendental Person in the form of Shastra. I can therefore sing Gurubani without any instruments, or just a melody,and it is very important to know the meaning in order to convey it. Our Gurus used musical instrument to harmonize the music, just as we use a harmonium, A harmonium is used ONLY to harmonize what we sing, it allows us to combine notes which we cannot do with our human voice, there is a limitation to our voice, an example , with the human voice we sing Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ne, but with a harmonium we combine notes (Sa Ga, Re) (Re Ga Ma Pa) which harmonizes what we are singing. Our Gurus sang Gurbani in the forms of Ragas, ragas are comprised of these seven notes, There is a science to Indian Classical music and it found in the 5000 year old Sama ved, of which our Gurus were versed in, Ragas are sung differently at certain times of the day, so our Gurus sung these Ragas so that they can be herd at dawn, i after sunrise, at midday, after midday, at sunset , and in the night, and late at night, If you study Indian classical music, you will understand what science went into compiling Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji, in 31 different ragas They were the perfect researchers , there is nothing to be researched in Gurbani, itโ€™s the works of God and Guru, I have always said, this religion has so much depth that its mind boggling. I am only a neophyte and is always willing to learn , I respect your opinion, and admire the works of Sikhnet, May Wahaguru Ji bless you all, Sarbad Da Bhalla. .
August 8, 2009 - 10:00am — Yugrajveer Sing...

What is new ?

Mr K.J.Singh,I use to glance through this site once in a while only to find that sikhs like to leave each other behind in badmouthing Hindus, their culture,traditions,history, in short everything about Hindus and India.In fact it is you I use to read the views of most. It is inspite of the fact that we hindus respect your religion and faith as one of the world's faiths originated in India. I was reading your post which is an example that everything in sikhism with exception of nothing is based on and found in hindu scriptures and philosophy.Please do not take it negatively but sikhs must know their origin and history with more broader mindset.We all are proud Indians and I regard sikhs as number one in contribution in every field of nation building.
August 10, 2009 - 2:21pm — Romesh Kumar

Yugrajveer Singh

Majority of the members in forum are either NRI sikhs or sikhs living in other states of India outside Punjab. Some of them have not even been to Punjab. Their knowledge about sikhism is great but they know least about ground reality of hindu-sikh relations in sikh homeland/punjab.There is absolutely no religion related problem between hindus and sikhs in Punjab. Problems we have in Punjab are natural and human ones like competetion/rivalry/jealousy etc.
August 9, 2009 - 12:37am — satnam_anand

Yograjveer ji...

Veer Sh.Yugrajveer ji, I beg to differ with your views and take strong objection to your statement that, (quote)"Sikhs like to leave each other behind in badmouthing Hindus, their culture,traditions,history, in short everything about Hindus and India." As far the country is concerned, it is a well known and well documented fact (government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more by way of sacrifices for their motherland than the rest of 98% Indians put together in the freedom movement) that Sikhs are proud Indians (SECOND TO NONE). You yourself admit Sikhs are number one in contribution in every field of nation building then how can you allege that Sikh badmouth their beloved country.>>>>Regarding your second point that Sikhs badmouth Hindus, their culture, traditions and history etc. I would like to tell you that you are being unfair. Sikhism is all about universal brotherhood and equality and Sikhs are taught to be tolerant and respectful of all religions. As far as my knowledge about Sikhnet goes it is the other way round I find many Hindu s like one Mr. Romesh Kr. (self proclaimed Sikh) propagating against anything and everything concerning Sikhism. Yes, the brahminical attitude and the false propaganda of people like are opposed. Yograjveer ji, no religion is bad. It is the 'THEKEDARS' (Brahmins, Bhais, Maulvis, agents etc.) who bring a bad name to the religion.>>>> When Guru Nanak Dev Ji founded Sikhism, his followers were mostly Hindus from middle and lower strata of society who were oppressed for centuries by the rigidity of Brahaminical customs & rituals (and other social ills linked with it) prevalent in the society at that time. Guru Nanak's philosophy and ideology remained same in all his ten incarnations, and preached equality for all, especially for women (who are still considered low, unequal and impure in other religions including yours), universal brotherhood and opposed all social evils. Sikh scriptures are accordingly different and not at all based on Hindu scriptures (you need to do a serious research on this). Sikh ideology is very scientific and is opposed in principle to the brahminical karam-kands and is simple and pragmatic in its approach to life.
August 10, 2009 - 2:07pm — Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

It is first time I found you writing something/50% meaningful. But, can you stop dragging my name into all the contraversies and hot exchanges created by you and your communal comments ? Are you not anti-sikh now who is equating bhais to brahamans and maulvis and THEKEDARS of religions. Yugrajveer........., I don't know if you know that 'bhais' in punjabi/sikhi mean equivalent of pujari/incharge of mandir/brahaman of a sikh gurdwara, not bhais of bombay/underworld.
August 11, 2009 - 12:41am — satnam_anand

Romesh Kr., Your name came in

Romesh Kr., Your name came in for a special mention in my reply to Mr. Yograveer, to clear his misgiving that on Sikhnet (quote)"Sikhs like to leave each other behind in badmouthing Hindus, their culture, traditions, history, in short everything about Hindus and India.". I not only objected to his accusation but also cleared his misgivings by telling him the FACT that it was the other way round. I apprised him in brief that Sikhs don't badmouth Hindu religion but Hindus like RK don't loose an opportunity to condemn and belittle anything and everything concerning Sikhism ( which is of no concern to them). I don't know what are you cribbing about? Is it not a fact? I did not elaborate your misdeeds because according to the old saying "เจนเจพเจฅ เจ•เฉฐเจ—เจจ เจ•เฉ‹ เจ†เจฐเจธเฉ€ เจ•เจฟเจ† เจชเฉœเฉ‡เฉ เจฒเจฟเจ–เฉ‡ เจ•เฉ‹ เจซเจผเจพเจฐเจธเฉ€ เจ•เจฟเจ† " every comment of yours and my replies to them are on the site for him to see and judge. I think Mr. Yograjveer has taken my reply in right spirit and has gotten rid of his misgivings but you as usual are an incorrigible being who inspite of being pleaded to mind your own business and keep away from this site which is predominantly a Sikh website that is to discuss mainly Sikh issues (which are of no concern of yours) show up again and again. (And BTW I have held the clergy of different religions responsible for the mess their respective religions are in and that in no way is anti-Sikh.)
August 11, 2009 - 4:02am — Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

(1) I do not actually mean it but one can easily answer your question you raised about predominantly Sikh website as follows. Why are you living in Delhi, a predominantly hindu city and capital of a predominantly hindu nation ? (2) You have held the clergy of all religions responsible for the problems in their respective religions. If you honestly and unbiasedly go through and analyse all my posts you will find reflection and elaboration of this statement in details. That is why I appreciated your comments (3) Now sit down and REPLY TO THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION ABOUT SIKH RELIGION TO A SIKH MEMBER BELOW.
August 11, 2009 - 8:59am — satnam_anand

RK: This is exactly why I address you as Chalaak Brahmin.

Romesh Kr., This is exactly why I term you as Chalaak Brahmin. Very cleverly you have once again taunted all non-Hindus that they are living in a Hindu country, and in the same breadth added that you do not actually mean it. It is 'ONLY' this communal and brahminical streak in you that I abhor and strive to fight against. BTW, I HOPE YOU REMEMBER THAT THE HINDU NATION THAT YOU ARE SO ARROGANTLY MENTIONING HERE IS A HINDU NATION TODAY BECAUSE OF THE SACRIFICE OF OUR IXth SIKH GURU SAHIB SRI GURU TEGH BHADUR JI. It is because of brave Sikhs that you are still a Hindu otherwise who knows today I would have been interacting not with (RK) Romesh Kumar but (RK) RAHIM KHAN. (You have admitted this fact in one of your posts). My own personal view on this particular issue is also very well known to you that INDIA is a secular country and is it is not "KISSE DE PIO DI PERSONAL PROPERTY" (It is another story that your bosses tried their level best to divide it on communal lines and convert it into a 'swarna jatti' - โ€˜Hindu Rashtra' but failed miserably). I think this is sufficient to make you see the difference between your visiting a Sikh website (meant predominantly for discussions on Sikh matters) to ridicule, belittling anything and everything concerning Sikhs with your sugar coated, double meaning sarcastic remarks and SIKHS SACRIFICING THEIR LIVES FOR THE FREEDOM OF YOUR (ILL-PERCEIVED) PREDOMINANTLY HINDU NATION >>> Regarding your views on clergy, it is not that I always have to disagree with you on every issue. You must have noticed that I too don't hesitate in appreciating anything fair, written by anybody and by grace of AkalPurakh I also have the courage to take any positive criticism in the right spirit and give a befitting reply to sarcastic remarks of anti Sikhs. >>>>> (QUOTE) โ€œNow sit down and REPLY TO THE RELIGIOUS QUESTION ABOUT SIKH RELIGION TO A SIKH MEMBER BELOW.โ€ I can very well imagine the Brahmin in you jumping with joy on prospects of deriving sadistic pleasure out the ensuing skirmish between two Sikh brothers on a difference of opinion on their religious matter. Well unfortunately I wonโ€™t be able to deprive you of this sadistic pleasure because I have a moral duty as a Sikh to reply to a Sikh brother and try and convince him or get convinced on the said religious issue. I earnestly hope that my fellow Sikh sees through the Brahminical cunningness of yours and deals with you in his own way >>> Now before you jump to any conclusions let me make one thing very clear to you Mr. RK, that I have nothing personal against you and I would love to welcome you to this site ( which of course does not belong to my father) irrespective of your religion but your approach needs to be sincere and should be just to learn something about the teachings of SGGS or Sikh way of life or to share some of your own good and meaningful experiences of life. Drop your sarcasm and contempt for Sikhism before you expect anything in reciprocation.
August 10, 2009 - 4:20pm — lakwinder singh

satnam anand ji What sort of

satnam anand ji What sort of a sikh you are when You disgrace the bani of tenth master. I am still waiting for your response where you were to show me wherein devi / devtas are worshipped in Dasam granth sahib. Sikhs keep their promise.
August 12, 2009 - 7:46am — satnam_anand

Lakwinder Singh: My bhulad (ignorant) Sikh veer.-II

Lakwinder Singh, I am replying to your query in small parts so that it remains within your concentration span and you can understand me comfortably. Let me now tell you what sort of Sikh I think I am (or I strive to be). I am a Sikh who following the orders of Xth GURU NANAK (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) bows his head with reverence in front of our one and only eternal Shabad Guru, Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. Guru Gobind Singh ji bestowed Gutagaddi only to Guru Granth Sahib and ordered that his Sikhs will not bow their head in front of anybody else as their Guru. Before you accuse me of disgracing the contents of the controversial book BN, you need to prove its authenticity first. (The ball is still in your court). In response to your curiosity to know where devi /devtas are worshipped in BN you may watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlOHY9JVFM . You will also gain some first hand authenticated knowledge of the origin of 'Bachittar natak'. IF YOU ARE KEEN TO KNOW THE DEATILS OF THE PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MID70V3oGI4. >>>My bhulad veer, wake up from your deep slumber and realize the following facts that (1.) SGGS is our one and only eternal 'SAMPOORAN GURU' . (2) Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself bestowed GURUTAGADDI only to SGGS. (3) Guru Gobind Singh ordered Sikhs not to bow in front of anybody else as their Guru. (4) Guru Gobind Singh Ji could have added his own bani (if any) in Guru Granth Sahib when he added Guru Tegh Bhadur Jiโ€™s Bani at Gurudwara DamDama Sahib if he so desired. (5) Guru Gobind Singh had not authorised anybody to put his bani in a bind. Further, already the S.G.P.C. vide its resolution number 36672 dated 3rd August 1973, has accepted the position that 923 pages of Charitropakhyan are Puranic myths, unconnected with the Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Please do not hesitate to seek any more information or clarification.
August 12, 2009 - 8:10am — lakwinder singh

satnam anand Five banis for

satnam anand

Five banis for amrit sanchar are there and three out of those are from Dasam granth. Ardas pauri is from dasam granth.

THis Granth forms part of a sikh's nitnem. What else you want ? Are you a sikh? if so what banis you read in nitnem.

Everybody agrees SGGS is our Guru. Guru Gobind singh asked us to do so and we do it without question. Now in the same vein i ask you a question.

Where it is written that SGGS is ordained as our Guru? Can you show me?

Where is damdami bir of Guru sahib?

THugs like you are doing maximum damage to sikh traditions by indulging in malicious propaganda for earning a livelihood.

August 12, 2009 - 11:07am — satnam_anand

U R CASTING DOUBTS ON GURU GRANTH SAHIB- SHAME ON U

Lakwinder Singh, I thought you were a 'bhulad' (ignorant) Sikh veer but you are sick and disgusting fellow. >>> (QUOTE) : "Where it is written that SGGS is ordained as our Guru? Can you show me?Where is damdami bir of Guru sahib?" YOU HAVE EARNED THE IGNOMINY OF BEING THE BIGGEST GUR NINDAK OF THE UNIVERSE. SHAME ON YOU TO CAST DOUBTS ON THE AUTHORITY OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AS THE UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED GURU OF SIKHS. IT IS NO POINT TALKING TO A THIRD CLASS PERSON LIKE YOU WHO FOR SAKE OF A PORNOGRAPHIC CRAP HAS QUESTIONED AUTHORITY OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
August 11, 2009 - 10:12pm — satnam_anand

Lakwinder: My 'BHULAD' (ignorant) Sikh veer - I.

Lakhwinder Singh, Before I reply to your nonsensical comment please tell me why all your Sikhi is limited only to the 'BACHITTAR NATAK' which is engulfed in controversies right from its inception? Why does your Sikhi begin and end on the Bachittar Natak.Your silence on other important SIKH affairs like 'High Court order on Sehejdharis', 'Ban on Sikh Turbans in French schools', 'Demand for separate Gurudwara Committee of Haryana', 'Serious issue of apostasy in Sikh youth' alongwith allegations {by a regular non Sikh visitor on this site โ€“ (* I have not named you)}on the integrity of Sikhs, Allegation that "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled", โ€œAllegation that Indian Army action on Akal Takhat was because of Sikhs themselvesโ€, โ€œAllegation that how anyone say that Sikhs brought freedom to Indiaโ€, โ€œAllegation that P.M. Indira Gandhi was backstabbed by Sikhs and thatโ€™s why Sikhs were killed in 1984 riots the matterโ€ raised on this site compels my mind think of you as 'bhulad' (ignorant) Sikh who wittingly or unwittingly is playing in the hands of BN propagators OR JUST AS A PROFESSIONAL GUARD HIRED BY INTERESTED PARTIES. PERHAPS YOU HAVE ORDERS ONLY TO REACT TO COMMENTS ON BN AND PURPOSELY IGNORE ALL OTHERS. THAT'S WHY YOU DID NOT UTTER A WORD OF PROTEST OR POST A SINGLE COMMENT AGAINST ANOTHER NON-SIKH PERSON WHO BLATANTLY ABUSED GURBANI OF SGGS AND BADMOUTHED GURU ARJAN DEV JI, BUT YOU PROP UP LIKE MUSHROOM IN RAINY SEASON ON A MERE MENTION OF BN. (continued)
August 8, 2009 - 10:42am — HSJagdev

Mr Yugrajveer Singh, from

Mr Yugrajveer Singh, from your comments you must be a Hindu. You need read your Vedas and purans before making such comments. Once you do you only then will understand Sikhi and where everything originated from will be clear. Regards Harminder Singh
August 27, 2009 - 10:57pm — jssingh

Why thou shalt poison my nectar O MOST LEARNED ONE?

I can't believe that people hav eforgotten the basic messages of Sikhism- ALL sides-- please ignore ego, bulleying YOUR thinking over others etc. Only Guru knows what he wanted or did. Our job is to walk the path of our Guru ji. Dasam Granth or whatever other name you may call it does not stop you from beleiveing in Guru Ji. Lastly- please discuss dasam granth after you have mastered Guru Granth Sahib Ji- Becaus eboth sides are talking if they have mastered the Guru. Yeah Right! Dasam Granth is another piece of Sikh Literature like Bhai Gurdas's vars, or Bhai nanad lal ji's writing- It doesn't matter what parts guru ji wrote or not- What's important is even if he didn't write one shabad in it or wrote all of it HE DID NOT INCLUDE IT IN SGGSJ. That's hint enough that it might be our literatur but it is not our guru ji or a part of it. HE could have added anything he wanted it when it was written again at Damdama Sahib Ji- some 4 kms from where I used to live. TRUST our Sachey Patshah Sri Guru Gobind Sahib Ji!. Dont fal victim to created schisms to keep you in doldrums. Naughty so called 'sikhs' do this as their living. Controversy brings money home and put bread on their table. LEave controversies behind and be proactive. Ignore chairs vs floor, meat vs no meat, who is sikhs, dasam or not to dasam, and have faith in Guru Ji and become really good for the sake of humanity. Work hard share and pray! Be good for your country. Don't go against good people. Dont blow people up. Sat santokh vicharo- DOnt fight. Dont act or react - but proact! Most important of all --- work for your and other peoples' integrity not against it. Chill and be good. If you make me believe your philosophy and you are wrong then we both go to incarnations. You will take us both down. Dotn call people ignorant- That is to assume that you are 'Know it all'. Think you could be wrong? Thats all I got to say. I do my wahegurus irregardless of what controversies you have. Controversies make my religion distasteful. It is NOT-- i lap it up coz i think it is sweet. Why thou shalt poison my nectar O MOST LEARNED ONE? Leave me ignorant please! j s sidhu

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