“White Sikhs” – foreigners who found faith in Sikhism

July 17th, 2009 Source: www.russiatoday.com

Sword-carrying Sikhs roaming the Indian city of Amritsar are a normal sight; but white people wearing turbans definitely are not. The strangeness lies in the fact that they are non-Indians who converted to Sikhism.

Most of them attend the Miri Piri Academy (MPA), an International boarding school in Amritsar where foreigners who converted to Sikhism leave their children to immerse themselves in the religion. And don’t let the teacher’s name, Mahan Atma Kaur, mislead you. She is Svetlana, a Russian-American national who has been teaching there for two years.

The 34-year-old white Sikh converted in 2004 and changed her name to Mahan Atma, which means “greatest soul” in the Indian language.

Why? “It feels to me that I did not 'choose' to be a Sikh. We all are Sikhs, as 'seekers of the truth'. As soon as I felt my heart’s yearning for the guru’s word, I knew it was my path. It is my life,” Mahan told RTV during an interview.

The current student body represents 13 countries and 8 languages from various countries in Asia, Europe and America.

Although Sikhism does not have missionaries around the world, more white people are converting to Sikhism in the 21st century. Sikhism as a faith has never actively sought converts, thus the Sikhs have remained a relatively homogeneous racial group.

Why Sikhism?

After the September 11 attacks, some people associated Sikhs with terrorists or members of the Taliban. Research suggests there has been an increase in hate-crimes against Sikh men in America and England. Still, there has been an increase in the number of foreigners who convert to Sikhism. Why?

Gurusewak Singh Khalsa, who was born to parents of American/European descent, told RTV via email, “Some might say Sikhism is a strict religion. At first glance this makes sense – physically, men have beards, wear turbans and kirpans (knives), and women don't cut their hair.”

“But once one sees past the physical I have found that there is a lot more openness, freedom, and acceptance in the Sikh teachings compared to other religions,” he added.

Amrit Kaur does not look like a Punjabi in any way, but practices Sikhism. Born in Toronto, Canada, her mother was an atheist and her father was Catholic.

“I researched many religions and practiced different ones… but nothing 'belonged' to me. It wasn't until the summer of 2004, when I first met a Sikh, that I learned about the existence of Sikhism,” she writes in her blog ( amritkaur.blogspot.com).

We talked to Dana Singh, who calls herself "gora (white) Sikh" and is dedicated to the cause of Sikhism. Born in Latvia (former USSR), she met her Sikh husband in Ireland, and he introduced her to his culture and religion. Though she has not formally converted to Sikhism, she still considers herself a Sikh.

“Earlier I had never heard about Sikhism and wasn't aware that this is the fifth largest religion in the world. We married in Amritsar in a traditional ceremony. It was so different from European weddings – like a fairy tale,” she revealed in an interview.

Ask her why she chose to live her life as a Sikh and she replies, “I didn't convert formally but just live and learn everyday more and more about Sikhism.”

Conversion Through Kundalini Yoga

Due to the activities of Harbhajan Singh Yogi via his Kundalini Yoga, which focuses on 3HO (Happy, Healthy, Holy) Organization, Sikhism has witnessed a moderate growth in non-Indian adherents.

It was estimated that in 1998, these 3HO Sikhs, known colloquially as “gora” or “white” Sikhs, totalled 7,800 members, and were mainly centered around Española, New Mexico and Los Angeles, California.

Most foreigners turn to Sikhism through an indirect route of Kundalani Yoga from Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, better known as Yogi Bhajan, a renowned Sikh yoga teacher who came to America in the late 1960s, and died in 2004.

After the death of Yogi Bhajan, the U.S. Congress passed a bipartisan resolution honoring his life and work, thus equating his life with a select few – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Theresa, and Pope John Paul II.

Like her teacher Yogi Bhajan, Mahan Atma Kaur, a psychology major from St.-Petersburg State University in Russia, also teaches Kundalini yoga. “I decided to move to the U.S. and came in contact with Yogi Bhajan. As I started my daily Kundalini Yoga practice, I found an experience of God within me; it has enriched my life and opened my heart.”

Ask Mahan how her family reacted to her “transition” and she says that her mother was “very supportive and said ‘I don't understand what it is, but whatever it is you do, it makes you great! You are as clear and pure as crystal!’"

The most obvious effect of Kundalani Yoga can be seen in Espanola, New Mexico, where Yogi Harbhajan Singh lived. There are about 50 yoga centres in the state of New Mexico, and a number of people have converted to Sikhism.

Conversion

The views on conversion from one religion to another are varied. Brij Bedi, a social activist from Amritsar and a descendant of Guru Nanak Dev (the Sikhs' first guru), said in a telephone interview, “Be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism or Sikhism, all religions teach the same principles of equality, non-violence, faith, selflessness and love towards humanity.”

Ethelred, a member at a public forum (stormfront.org) writes, “Most people convert because they're told to be ashamed of their own culture and history. All I know is I'd die before converting to either.”

Matt Borghese, a content writer based in Florida, said in a telephone interview that the “third world religions are catching on in the first world. Who would have thought it? That is a growing trend in the U.S. I see white guys in Sikh turbans all the time.”

“One I saw over the weekend had a white turban and bright red beard. I don't see the appeal in those two religions myself,” he added.

 

Famous White Sikhs In History

Historically, the phenomenon of conversion of whites to Sikhism is centuries old. Max Arthur Macauliffe (1841-1913), a senior British administrator who was posted to India during the British rule of Punjab, converted to Sikhism in the 1860s. As a prolific scholar and author, Macauliffe is held in high esteem among the Sikh community, in particular the intelligentsia, for his monumental translation into English of the Sikh Scriptures, the Guru Granth Sahib.

In more recent times, earlier examples of conversion includes Vic Briggs, a 64-year-old London resident and former blues musician (The Animals). He converted and took the name Vikram Singh Khalsa. Later, he became the first non-subcontinental to perform religious chants at the Golden Temple.

Dr. Lonnie Smith, a 67-year-old New York resident, is a jazz musician, recognized as an exceptional player of both the Hammond B3 organ and piano, also converted to Sikhism but did not change his name.

 

Comments

August 3, 2009 - 7:12am perrysingh

the adminisrators of this site do not allow free speech

I have noticed that whenever anything slightly negative is written about 3HO Gora Sikhs, that my posts "dissapear". I was purposely testing the waters because I have read on site's like Rick Ross's and other Punjabi forums that do not agree with these Yoga Sikhs that this site is run by 3HO and they always censor your opinion if it dissagrees with them and that they cannot handle the slightest bit of criticism. To all the 3HO reading this, I am greatly dissapointed in your censorship of my speech and unfortunately for you, you have proven what your critics say about you is true. You support the freedom to be gay yet you people oppose my right to dissent. I know you own this forum, after you all, you run it, but you have made a public forum now that has an impact on our community. You should not be censoring free speech. If you take off this post, I will make my mission to spread the word. I am quite involved with our Gurudwara and will make sure that this known about you people. A word of advise - accept constructive criticism. You people have much to learn about Sikhi.
August 3, 2009 - 10:43am Romesh-Kumar

perrysingh

Please do not blame moderators. For your kind information there are people in the forum who are using three or more login id's. As per rule if three members flag the message as offensive, it will get deleted. This three-in-one member is doing that.
August 2, 2009 - 1:59am Romesh-Kumar

perrysingh

Heartily thanks for harmonious views and gesture. I know that there are some obligations attached to join sikh fold as sabat surat sikh. I lack selfconfidence to meet it. I can tell lies and outsmart human beings not God/Waheguru.It is not just about making over. I am blessed by Him and great gurus to follow their teachings the way and how I am and to the extent of a lowly person like me can do .Unfortunately some sikh brothers feel that hindus are anti-sikh which I do never want to believe. I am not talking of exceptional cases like criminals or opportunist politicians and self-proclaimed custodians of both sikh and hindu faiths. They have been in all the communities all the times. As we all know that hindus use to worship everything or I can go to the extent of saying that they worship every visible living or non-living creation of creator. We can not and should not say that they are wrong as it more or less speaks of a belief in general or a direct or indirect submission before creator in particular. It was occupation/social status/position based untouchability and discrimination ( ignorantly/popularily known as casteism) which helped some wicked brahamans to be in full command of scriptures. They conveniently misinterpreted the contents and invented more and more to maintain and sustain their command. It fractured,divided and weakened the society to fall easy prey to islamic invaders. It was then at this peak phase Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji appeared on his worldly abode and condemned all brahamanical practices. That was beginning of new era. All sikh guru sahiban practicalized the philosophy, led by example and founded new faith Sikhsm."Myself and like-minded people of north-west India owe our existence, our identity, our nationality and our faith to great Sikh Guru Sahiban and their true Sikhs attached to them and their teachings." "No sane individual have justified or can justify or can try to justify anti-sikh riots of 84. It is difficult even to find appropriate words to condemn this most henious crime". Though I do not have affliation to any political party but one point is notable that there were no anti-sikh riots in cities and states ruled by hindu hardliner parties like BJP/RSS/Hindu Shiv Sena. It happened at the places where hindu criminals had political affiliation to a particular party and leader/Indira Gandhi. Coming to hindu-sikh matter, I was very much in Punjab operating from Ludhiana/Amritsar/Chandigarh/Pathankot and travelling to all corners of state from late 70s to mid 90s thereby an eyewitness to all what happened during those years/decades. I HAVE NOT WITNESSED OR HEARD OF A SINGLE CASE OF ANY MISUNDERSTANDING, ENEMITY, FIGHT, QUARREL RELATED TO COMMUNAL HATRED BETWEEN COMMON PEOPLE OF TWO COMMUNITIES. Those militants were found to be misguided by religious hardliners, ISI of Pakistan, Intelligence Bureau and Research & Analysis Wing of India. In fact this was a fight/proxy war between IB/RAW on one side and ISI on other side. To counter Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, CIA made ISI most well equipped, richest and fully independent agency answerable and accounable to none in south asia. ISI availed this opportunity to fullest to destalize India and Punjab. Sikh youth were used as frontline fighters by both IB/RAW and ISI.Most of the members in forum have either not been to Punjab or have not lived in Punjab on/after growing up or living in other states outside Punjab. There are very few who are based in Punjab. I do not see any problem the way it is portrayed . Natural and human problems ( which are equally found among parents,siblings and children in a family ) like rivalary in different spheres of life, competetion etc are portrayed as communal problems by wicked and opportunist politicians and a fractional percentage of religious hardliners. Both of the communities have some brahamanical characters within, who have been looking for escalation of one problem or another for obvious reasons. We, punjabis regardless of our religious faith and regardless of the place we are living/working/settled in are vibrant, hardworking, big-hearted and God fearing people. Only problem with strong majority of us is our short-temperedness. I humbly request all Punjabis of Indian origin to be wary of these wicked and opportunist politicians and self-proclaimed custodians of both hindu and sikh faiths. Cohesion between communities and communal harmony is biggest hurdle in the ways of these selfish, opportunist and wicked characters and that is what our enemy states and their agencies like ISI want.
August 5, 2009 - 8:27am satnam_anand

RK: Be positive, You can learn a lot from Sikhism.

Romesh Kr., (QUOTE); "Unfortunately some Sikh brothers feel that Hindus are anti-Sikh which I do never want to believe." Your statement needs to be corrected IT SHOULD READ AS ALMOST ALL SIKHS KNOW THAT MANY (PUNJABI) HINDUS LIKE YOU WITH BRAHMINCAL MINDSET ARE ANTI-SIKH. >>>> I take up your particular case to prove my point. You claim that you belong to a family which for generations has believed in Sikhism and teachings of the ten Gurus only. QUOTE; "Myself and like-minded people of north-west India owe our existence, our identity, our nationality and our faith to great Sikh Guru Sahiban and their true Sikhs attached to them and their teachings." On one hand you make such huge claims for your respect for Sikhism and on the other hand you defiantly disobey the orders of Sikh Gurus (You don't even want to adhere to the basic tenets of Sikhism of keeping unshorn hair and beard and wearing a turban because of your misconceived superficial worldly comforts.) THOUGH YOU HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A SIKHI ENVIRONMENT, BUT EVEN THEN TODAY AT 50 YEARS OF AGE, YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADAPT THE SIKH WAY OF LIFE WHY?>>> BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO REPOSE FULL FAITH IN SIKHISM. Leave alone becoming Amritdhari Singh yourself, you have rather sarcastically ridiculed Amritdharis as pretenders in your earlier posts and you also tried to justify apostasy in a very subtle manner for which you were duly rebuked by me and others. >>> Today changing your colours you are saying, "No sane individual have justified or can justify or can try to justify anti-Sikh riots of 84. It is difficult even to find appropriate words to condemn this most heinous crime", whereas just a few days back you 'termed' the sacrifice of two brave Sikhs as 'backstabbing of PM' or the reason for the 84 riots. As a self proclaimed Sikh how could you not feel the agony of Sikhs all over the world when on the orders of same PM the whole panth was backstabbed? How could the SIKH in you not see that the preplanned dastardly army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan dev ji was done on the orders of the same PM. (If justification for army action was to arrest Bhinderawalan and his fellows then they could have been arrested when he shared the political stage with the same PM or when he had gone to Delhi as a state guest of the same PM.)>>>> The following are some more of your now famous and well known contemptuous allegations that speak volumes about your anti-Sikh feelings. (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?” (2) "Did Sikhs come from other planet or any other continent to India with sole purpose of liberating India?" (3) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority, making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled. HAS IT NOT HAPPENED?" ( ਚਲੋ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਨਾ ਸਹੀ ਪਰ ਜੇ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਨਾਲ ਦਿਲੌਂ ਪਿਆਰ ਹੋਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਤੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਖਿਲਾਫ਼ ਕਿਸੇ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਇਤਨੀ ਖਿਝ ਤੇ ਨਫ਼ਰਤ ਕਿਸੇ ਕੀਮਤ ਤੇ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ)>>>> FYKI there are many other non-Sikhs who visit this site but since they don't indulge in interefering in Sikh affairs and don't make any taunting and sarcastic Anti Sikh statements there never has been a problem with them. You would have been welcome to this site irrespective of your religion, had your approach been to sincerely learn something about teachings of SGGS or Sikh way of life or to share some of your own good and meaningful experiences of life. Because of people like you so much time is wasted which otherwise could have been used discussing various Gurbani Shabads and other positive things. You are once again requested to keep off this site if you can't mend your ways. For now I think in all fairness you must apologize to the members before visiting this site even if to post something positive.
August 5, 2009 - 11:31am Romesh-Kumar

satnam anand

(1) Romesh Kr., (QUOTE); "Unfortunately some Sikh brothers feel that Hindus are anti-Sikh which I do never want to believe." Your statement needs to be corrected IT SHOULD READ AS ALMOST ALL SIKHS KNOW THAT MANY (PUNJABI) HINDUS LIKE YOU WITH BRAHMINCAL MINDSET ARE ANTI-SIKH. >>>> <<<< IT IS A WHITE LIE, YOUR WAY OF THINKING.(2) You claim that you belong to a family which for generations has believed in Sikhism and teachings of the ten Gurus only. QUOTE; "Myself and like-minded people of north-west India owe our existence, our identity, our nationality and our faith to great Sikh Guru Sahiban and their true Sikhs attached to them and their teachings." On one hand you make such huge claims for your respect for Sikhism and on the other hand you defiantly disobey the orders of Sikh Gurus (You don't even want to adhere to the basic tenets of Sikhism of keeping unshorn hair and beard and wearing a turban because of your misconceived superficial worldly comforts.) THOUGH YOU HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A SIKHI ENVIRONMENT, BUT EVEN THEN TODAY AT 50 YEARS OF AGE, YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADAPT THE SIKH WAY OF LIFE WHY?>>> NEITHER I AM, NOR I CLAIMED TO BE BRIGHT SON/SIKH OF GURU SAHIBAN. I MAY BE 3RD, 4TH OR ....LOWEST OF THE LOWEST CLASS BUT I AM SON AND SIKH OF MY BELOVED GURUS.(3) Leave alone becoming Amritdhari Singh yourself, you have rather sarcastically ridiculed Amritdharis as pretenders in your earlier posts and you also tried to justify apostasy in a very subtle manner for which you were duly rebuked by me and others. >>> I HAVE NOT RIDICULED BUT MIGHT HAVE SAID THAT AMRITDHARIS NECESSARILY DO NOT MEET ALL THE OBLIGATIONS ATTACHED TO BE SO. (4) Remaining part of your post is as repeated waste of time as usual, read my other posts..
July 30, 2009 - 12:58am perrysingh

You're correct Romesh Kumar

Look, you make valid points. I appreciate that you have an understanding of Sikhi, especially being a modern day Hindu. The seperations that exist between Hindus and Sikhs are only in our heads. Guru Nanak was the Avattar of Kalyug. Sindhi Hindus understand this, even till today Guru Nanak's idols are found in their temples, where he is considered just as great as Krishna, Ram, Vishnu, Shiva. As you well know, all Sikhs were Hindus who volunteered to become Sikhs. There obviously was a good reason. I believe, that reason still exists today, and I would like to see more Hindus join Sikhism, because, that is where they belong. Sikhism is the perfection of thousands of years of Vedic tradition. Sikhism is a universal faith, but so was Hinduism before it became "contaminated" to the point where the Baghati movement had to come to birth. All of the Bhagats were going against the current of the time which was the contaminated, unpure Hindu faith. These people sought to bring "it" back to it's original, pure, form which was gone during the time of Guru Nanak. Guru Nanak particular disliked the priestly class due to their corruption of the faith. On one hand they prayed in the Mandirs during the day and in the evening used to change their dress to please their Muslim rulers and eat butchered meat and also used to abuse lower caste people and their own because they had become evil. Guru Nanak says "Neel Bastar, Dhoti Khakaee, Hath Shuria - Jagat Kasaee". He was referring to the priestly caste who preyed upon the common Hindu. As a Sikh, I invite you to join. You are overdue. Your ancestors died so you could have the ability to become a Sikh. Please, follow your heart and exersize this privilege and the OUR ancestors died protecting. As long as you remain a Hindu, help us. Critisize the brutality inflicted upon innocent Sikhs by Indian politicians. Admit the mistakes made by attacking the Golden Temple. Don't minimize or rationalize. Enough buts or if's. You know in your heart it was wrong and it would be nice to hear a Hindu just say it in plain language. I always admit and emphasize that thousands of Sikhs survived the riots because Hindus protected them. In that same manner it would go a long way if Hindus were more honest and just said it. When we get excuses or lied to, it is insulting. Let's just be honest. Sat Sri Akal Perry Singh
July 25, 2009 - 11:29pm tejpalsingh

Romesh and Satnam ji

I was following your posts and found your branding each other as ISI agent and RSS agent laughable and childish. It is not even remotely related to what you started discussing.Sikhism has remained and will remain unshaken against all odds at different tough times.Sikhism is universal and no one should try to confine it to himself to suit his own ideology or try to upgrade or downgrade it. While maintaining sikh values,identity and traditions we also have to be adaptable to changing world circumstances around us.As at today,we are facing a challenge to our identity,traditional and religious sikh wears which is not posed by RSS or hindu brothers or govt but by changed circumstances in west.We are living in a country and world of diversities which we need to become part of instead of getting isolated.Critics should be welcomed as they are the ones who remind us of our mistakes or shortcomings.We need to sense what is happening within sikh community.We are in crisis right from definition of sikh within sikhs, recognition as distinct faith,identity preservance,mushrooming sikh religious sects.Who is responsible for that?None,other than we sikhs.
July 26, 2009 - 5:23am satnam_anand

Tejpal Singh....

Tejpal Singh ji, Romesh’s and my posts may have moved away from the topic of discussion but still the concern was about Sikhism so that's no big issue. As you seem to be a concerned Gursikh therefore I think you need to read RK's false allegations against Sikhs carefully once again and think of the implications before passing your remarks that equate me with an Anti Sikh like RK. Without caring for RK's branding me as ISI agent, calling me names or badmouthing my family I have been consistently insisting on reply (which is not forthcoming) from him on the rebuttals to his false propaganda and allegations against SIKHS. >>> Coming to your comments, I appreciate the spirit and the confidence expressed by you as I myself strongly believe in what you are saying, "Sikhism has remained and will remain unshaken against all odds at different tough times." Today Sikhism is in crisis on all fronts, but unlike you I put the responsibility of our present condition on the greed of Sikh Leaders starting from Maharaja Ranjit Singh. This coupled with treachery of Dogras and Brahmins (in the garb of mahants etc) in Ranjit Singh's time and again Brahmins in the form of BJP and RSS who are Badal's associates is responsible for everything wrong with Sikhism today. Today our SGPC pracharaks/employees are appointed on the behest of BADAL who has sold the SIKHI in the hands of Brhamins. It is high S. Tejpal Singh ji that we should keep our vigil against Anti Sikhs. If RK is a follower of Sikh religion as he swears to claim then why he holds such contempt against Sikhs and why he is always making false allegations against Sikhs.
July 27, 2009 - 5:37am tejpalsingh

Satnam Ji,Let me be impartial

Satnam Ji,Let me be impartial and plead to close this chapter that both of you have scored equal marks in personal attacks. I thank both of you for putting an end to it. Coming to your comments and findings; first of all thanks for touching a topic of my choice.This is something we need to know and understand in depth and details.We need to solve the problem as our responsibility does not end with inheriting the mention of it from generation to generation. Maharaja was the only sikh ruler of a sikh kingdom in subcontinent/in the world, in other words the sikh who created the concept and political boundaries of a sikh state/nation and successfully ruled over it.His successors could not run the show. Both, Maharaja and his successors were sikhs from among us/sikhs. We lacked something somewhere and lost to british/brahamans/hindus.During independence struggle and at the time of independence we were not united and organised as sikhs like hindus and muslims were.We lost an opportunity of a separate sikh state. We lacked something somewhere like sensing the situation, availing the opportunity and foresightedness which amounts to lack of diplomatic and political skill.We joined union of India and asked for Punjabi/language based suba and finally got it as current Punjab.This came at a huge price by loosing vast portion of Maharaja's empire.It was inspite of sabotage by Punjabi speaking hindus of current Punjab who wrote their mother-tongue hindi instead of truth/punjabi.We can call it a victory of truth. Since independence we had akali and congress SIKH chief ministers with absolute majority of their respective party in assembly except current coalitions of Badals.What did Akalis (a sikh political party) do except fighting with each other and launching about one dozen akali dals?This is miri, now let's look at piri. How many sikh religious sects like radhasoami,nirankari,sacha sauda etc mushroomed and grew in full view of sikh religious leaders?What counter-measures should have been taken by religious leadership or concerned sikhs?Though we know the forces and reasons behind it but that knowing is of no use if we could not prevent and thwart their plans.This again means that we lack something somewhere inspite of the fact that we are not weak or foolish.Vigil against antisikhs is must but that alone will not bring any result.We need to be united and organized, let miri & piri go parallel, let either of it not be carried away and overshadowed by other. Politicians have still done their duty, imagine if akali dal was not there, then congress and jansangh/bjp/rss would have done something much worse than we see today.If badal do not join hands with bjp then akalis would have lost to have a CM. Which of the CMs was or would have been better from among kairon,giani,badal,darbara,barnala,beant,bhathal and amrinder. What we need today is a SIKH RELIGIOUS LEADER OF HIGH INTELLECT who could prove equally popular among all the punjabis of all the faiths, who could guide politicians who are obviously from among public in the right direction. That is how punjabis in general and sikhs in particular will be satisfied and benefitted. This will automatically prevent mushrooming and growing of religious sects who are using sikh gurbani against sikhs. Best wishes.
July 27, 2009 - 11:01am satnam_anand

Tejpal Singh let him reply please.

Tejpal Singh Ji, In my earlier reply I had told you that you need to read RK's comments carefully to realize the seriousness of his false allegations against Sikhs and had expressed my reservations on being equated with RK. I am really disappointed by the way you have appointed yourself as a referee and termed a serious issue first as a laughing matter and now as a personal vendetta between RK & myself. The best part is that you find my point wise rebuttals on behalf Sikh Panth to the false allegations against Sikhs by RK as personal attacks. I presume you have not interacted with RK to know him well enough. That’s why you I request you to please don't interefere and let the real face of Brahmin devta be exposed for once and all. To the rest of your post I think you have made some valid points. One needs to ponder over the fact, when by Guru Sahib's grace our Quom have leaders who are sincere and honest.
July 24, 2009 - 8:42am K.J.SINGH

Equality For Hindu women in NOT the same for a Sikh woman

Sikhs women have Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji they should read Asa diwar in the morning and Reharase in the night, What teachings do the average hindu women follow, most worship the demigods and bollywood film stars , making them lusty greedy and angry. I do not agree with many things with SGPC , but we must respect their decisions. Women in India are becoming Lesbians because they are getting little or NO love from their Manmukh husbands, and NO protection from the society. The Hindu RSS wants to make every Sikh women a Oma Bharti who is full of hate, dressed in the garb of a holy person . A pregnant woman has No business on the battlefield, There is a saying in America, "YOU DO NOT GO TO A GUNFIGHT WITH A KNIFE" these people mean business ,women are knives , they do not belong on the battlefield, except as a nurse the aid the wounded. Leave the fighting for the men. Godly needs to stay home and take care of the children . When the young men die in battle she should remarry , otherwise she is liable to become a prostitute, and destroy the moral fabric of society. A woman's job is to uplift her husband spiritually. Brahmans destroyed women in India, they burn them and make them slaves for their demoniac Lusty Shivitee and Shakta Husbands. These demoniac Brahmans only objective is to increase their sex power, Bollywood and Shakha camps are a product of this class of Brahmans.
July 23, 2009 - 11:41pm Human

Romesh Kumar

Dear Romesh your writing against Sh Anand is your frustration only. Why do u failed to reply point wise ? As regarding family bag round will you please tell who were forefather of Chirst & Mohamad. Please note it is not important that you borned in sikh family but it is important to be Sikh. If you have guts please reply point wise or be agreed instead of branding anti national to person whom you cannot reply. Thanks.
July 29, 2009 - 12:31pm Romesh-Kumar

Human

Pls read pal's post and my reply below. Is it not wonderful why satnam does not copy/paste/post posts like this!!!!!!!! Because it does not fit in his moulds. July 14, 2009 - 9:11pm ? pal For god's sake dear mr. romesh kumar and mr.satnam anand pls dont make sikhnet another portal which is all filled up with these sikh,anti skih, hindu, anti-hindu comments and posts. mr.romesh we sikhs are a very important part of india and nobody can deny that fact. we have been and will always be faithfull to our motherland, but dont force your thinking on us, we've got brains and v can use them very well. we know wht's better for us and wht's not. dont interfere in our internal matters. dear veer satnam anand, there are no bosses in this country let nebody say nething about sikhi u and me both know that it's not going to affect sikhi in any way. July 15, 2009 - 12:38am ? Romesh Kumar pal Thanks for your concern and comments though not fully unbiased. This is more than a truth or a fact that sikhs have been second to none among Indian communities in patriotism and positive contribution. In fact, it is not nonsikh but sikh identity which represents India and Indians. But I do hope that you will unbiasedly agree with me that there are also bad elements among them to the extent of being anti-national as we have in other communities. I am not forcing my thinking on anyone. This is public forum and every individual is entitled to an opinion, arguement and counter-arguement. As of "internal matter", we will have to be specific on it. Sikh internal matters mean sikh religious, code of conduct and conventions, way of worshipping, religious belief etc etc related matters. All matters outside this frame are socio-political matters of everyone's concern as sikhs are part and partial of Punjabi and Indian society. Either you already know or you should know that there are lakhs of nonsikhs who follow sikhism as their way of worship as I do. 50% of my relatives in our family are sikhs. Any problem on part of one directly affects and concerns others. A big question mark arises here if some sikh/s are allergic to non-sikh name/person and trying to vent their own frustrations by calling names and branding others as GOI agent/RSS agent/anti-sikh or so. Same SICK and SADISTIC characters are going to the extent of deriving sadistic pleasure out of fate of female victims (who are ancestors of both hindus and sikhs of India) in the hands of mughals. These characters are disgrace to India,Punjab,sikhs and sikhism. I fully agree that this forum should be used for healthy, educative, informative and meaningful discussions. If a non-sikh ignorantly or out of curiousity or anxiety says something which is not inline with sikh belief or traditions, could be corrected in a humble and informative way.
July 21, 2009 - 4:27am Sim Kaur (not verified)

It pleases me the most to see

It pleases me the most to see more Sikhs of the Gurus! May we imbibe the teachings of our Gurus and endeavour to practice them daily, so that we can truly become Gursikhs. Guru ji, please bless your Sikhs! On the behalf of people of Indian origin, I want to extend a warm welcome to Sikhs of other parts of the world joining Most Reverend Guru Nanak's house. May the school of our beloved Guru shine forth! Also, we should share the stories of the Gurus and Sikhs at a wider, better, and a refined level. They provide us with examples of how to become Sikhs the way Gurus want us to be. Amrit Kaur ji (http://amritkaur.blogspot.com) also writes about some of the cultural hurdles that the newcomers to the Sikh faith have (had) to face. Lastly, have faith in the Gurus and their Sikhi, and do not give importance to public opinion. Dhan Guru Nanak!
July 21, 2009 - 9:38am Satyajit Singh

A beautiful message, felt

A beautiful message, felt great to read it, Thank yOU!!!
July 20, 2009 - 7:25am khalsa44

All are One

This article had an interesting perspective viewing anglo Sikhs in India. I think there will continue to be a growth of the practice of the Sikh religion throughout the whole world and we will see all types of people practicing the teachings of Sikhism. This is because the teachings of the Sikh Guru's profess acceptance of all no matter what race, color or creed and all are equal in the eyes of the one Creator. What could be better than this in the climate of violence and hatred the world faces today?
July 20, 2009 - 3:55am Govind-Singh (not verified)

Please sign the petition on

Please sign the petition on the link below and promote Sikh gender equality!!!
Help Sikhs around the whole world to achieve the equality the Sikhi teaches us all about. Today our Mothers, Sisters and daughters are being oppressed by the SGPC. Let us unite and destroy their tyranny against Sikh women. We must achieve equality and restore the teachings of Our GURUS. Please sign this petition and make a difference today. Let us protect the Honour of Khalsa, of Sikhs, of Women and especially of our GURU...
Please sign the petition below to help us achieve equality in Sikhism...your Signature will help to restore SIKH EQUALITY

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sikhequality

please forward this message to as many Sikhs as possible.....
together we can make a difference!!!

July 18, 2009 - 6:24pm adonofrio

White Sikhs?

Forgive me if my question is tangential to the point of the article. However the term "white Sikhs" has bothered me for years. Sometimes it is used to refer to 3HO Sikhs and sometimes to "gora" Sikhs who are American/European born. By now we should be thinking of 3HO Sikhs as Sikhs of the Western Dharma, who wear white and who wear other colors too! And by now we should be asking ourselves why we call non-Indian Sikhs "white" when Indians of the subcontinent are caucasian, only a bit on the tan side. And by now we should also be questioning -- Why are we thinking in terms of "white" anyway? Any way the term "white Sikh" is defined it makes use of incorrect information and retains the kinds of walls and fences that Sikhism has historically defied. Just my thoughts, and again, Forgive me! Narayanjot Kaur (toniji)
July 21, 2009 - 9:36am Satyajit Singh

Yes a valid point!!! it is

Yes a valid point!!! it is not necessary to call and differentiate Seikhs like that. A Seikh is a Seikh is a Seikh. It seems like people need to satisfy some lower mind by labeling people. It is really bad in India where underneath all the equality slogans there is cast system working as strong as it has ever been. Majority of Seikhs will not marry without knowing the cast of the the other family. It seems people are not ready to take the message ot OUr GReat Guru Maharaj to the heart and apply it. Best Wishes.
July 18, 2009 - 1:23pm singh_comradz

interesting stuff

a past life regressionist told me that one of his patients had a vision of their past life in Guru Gobind Singhs court and vouched that there were also White Sikhs there (travellers in India who became Khalsa)
July 18, 2009 - 11:24am stand for truth (not verified)

impossible is possible now

impossible became possible. history changed its course. its amazing. no one ever expected this. whatever, thats truth now. we all are now sikhs. i dont want this world gets convert to sikh but atleast want to put off this minority tag.
July 18, 2009 - 12:44pm Romesh Kumar

Dr Sahib

But some people are focussing at quality alone not quantity. I think it is better to look for both, I mean quality in quantity.
July 27, 2009 - 11:45pm perrysingh

Hindus and Sikhs are brothers

Romesh Kumar, there is an old saying that the relationship between a Sikh and Hindu is that of your finger and it's nail. We share common flesh just like we share daughters when we marry Hindu girls into Sikh families and vice versa. We share common blood and common roots. Every Hindu house in Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir gave one of their sons to become Sikhs. It is still a tradition in Punjab that is practices today. Brother, all India would have to do is three things and there will be no more fighting. Yes, and it truly is this simple - #1 Apologize to the Sikh community (and Hindu community) for the Delhi riots. Call it for what it was, not justify it or minimize it. This only adds salt to the wound. An event of this magnitude is not a "riot". We all know this. We just need to hear this from Hindus. #2 Serve justice on those guilty for the killings. Hang them just like the people who killed Indura Gandhi were hanged. Why is it justice is only one-sided in India? #3 Apologize for the 1984 attack on the Golden Temple. Even moderates Sikhs and Hindus both agree that there was no need to use more artillery on this Temple than was used in both Indo-Pak wars! It was mis-handled and resulted in one of the biggest blunders India has ever done. We need a sincere, sincere apology for this. If these three things are done, it will take away all the fire from the anti-India movement. Since Hindus at large refuse to do this, they just add gas to the fire.
July 29, 2009 - 4:59am Romesh-Kumar

perrysingh, Human & tejpalsingh

perrysingh,I am from one of those families, a live example of what you have mentioned in first four lines of your post. Though I am second among three brothers but it was me who my parents wanted to be sabat surat sikh in family.They had found me to be more inclined towards sikhi right from tender age. That did not happen, is a quite personal and different story.Before responding to your posts I would like to inform you and cyber sangat that satnam anand is a real hindu-hater ( some people are born and brought up in an environment wherein being anti-hindu means to be a true sikh) from core who is using all kinds of tactics which include but not limited to emotional blackmail of sikh members, provoking sikh members by tactically picking and misinterpreting some lines from my post/s. His kind of characters do not like any kind of cohesion or harmony between hindus and sikhs. He has been hell bent on his one point programme of proving me anti-sikh !!!!!! These tactics and deeds amount to nothing except accepting defeat before truth. If he is such a great Delhi based "seasoned lawyer" ( I mean manipulator and wordsmith), think-tank and fore-runner of sikh cause then we would like to know that how many Public Interest Litigations of individual cases of Delhi riots has he filed in High or Supreme court ? You can see that inspite of his tireless efforts and repeated posts to provoke sikh members, no sikh member has actually seconded his views and findings the way he was and is trying to portray it. I HAVE REPEATEDLY PLEADED IN MY VARIOUS POSTS THAT DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IS THE FOUNDATION OF A DISCUSSION. IT DOES NOT MEAN ANTI OR PRO. THERE IS DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AMONG PRACTISING SIKHS TO THE EXTENT OF AUTHENTICITY OF SCRIPTURES AND REHAT MARYADA EVEN. ARE THEY ANTI-SIKH ?? When and how have I justified op bl star and Delhi riots ???? Mentioning course or series of events DOES NEVER MEAN 'a justification' !!!!!! You can see in my post/s wherein I have termed it as MOST HENIOUS CRIME. When we say that brahamans spoiled indian society, that does not mean all the brahamans or all the upper caste hindus, it was a small percentage among them who did that. Has there been any society,community or class on this planet which does not have some bad characters in ?? When we say that brahaman tactics weakened Indian society and they fell easy prey to islamic invaders, that does not mean 'a justification' to islamic invasions !!!!!! You will agree with me that it did not happen that govt woke up one morning and ordered the army to go and demolish Akal Takhat Sahib. They easily found reasons and excuse to actualize their designs and plans.Those reasons and excuses are not hidden from anyone and different people have different opinions over that even as none of them being 100% authentic. Strong majority of us in the forum have time and space constraints combined with lack of skill as a wordsmith. As such, we can not write a complete book with examples and illustrations to explain every single word and line. This is how we get misinterpreted and misunderstood. Characters like satnam specialize in peeling the hair or surgery with precision of the words and lines to mould the meaning to the pattern suitable to him. The way army executed op bl star was the way army is taught and trained for and eqipped with. I mean army was not supposed to be called in because they know only to fight a conventional battle with enemy nation army in vast battle-fields where they can go to any extent of using any kind of weapons to hit the target. I agree with the views of intellectuals that the way of this attack and 84 riots was the most deadliest weapon Indian govt gave to khalistani ideologists on a platter. It was satnam anand who wrote that my (hindu) grandmothers and their young daughters were raped and sold for one taka by islamic invaders. That made me to believe that a human being who is non-muslim Indian can never ever quote such and derive sadistic pleasure out of taunts on falling of our great grandmothers in enemy hands !!!! A TRUE SIKH CAN NEVER EVER QUOTE WHICH BRINGS A DISGRACE TO THE SACRIFICES OF GREAT GURUS AND THEIR TRUE SIKHS WHO HAD SACRIFICED EVERYTHING THEY HAD FOR THIS CAUSE. It is his racial and communal comments, personal attacks, calling names, generalizing hindu community as a whole and asking someone to leave the site which attract a cheap retaliation. This is what makes some one to doubt his credentials of being a sikh or Indian or pro-indian patriot.CAN SATNAM APOLOGIZE FOR HIS RACIAL, PROVOCATIVE AND INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE AND QUOTES ? He is the one who started and is supposed to apologize for this.You can see his response to sikh members even the way he sharply and angrily reacts if someone does not agree with his version. I find it pointless to discuss anything with this kind of character/s as we have so many positive thinking sikh members in the forum. Thanks.
August 2, 2009 - 11:20am satnam_anand

Romesh Kr., Reproduced here

Romesh Kr., Reproduced here is the gist of your comment dated July 23, 2009 - 11:45am � Romesh Kumar >>>>QUOTE Your Allegation: - (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?" (YES, I REPEAT IT. (2) "Did Sikhs come from other planet or any other continent to India with sole purpose of liberating India?" (3) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring hindu majority, making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." HAS IT NOT HAPPENED ? YOU SHOULD COUNTER ARGUE AND ENLIGHTEN ME (4) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on."YES, MYSELF AND MILLIONS OF HINDUS AND SIKHS HAVE SEEN IT HAPPENING IN PUNJAB/INDIA. YOU SHOULD COUNTER ARGUE AND ENLIGHTEN ME ">>>>>>> HOW CONVENIENTLY YOU HAVE TERMED SUCH SERIOUS, POINTED and TAUNTING QUESTIONS WHICH ARE FULL OF CONTEMPT FOR SIKHS AS MERE MENTIONING OF COURSE OF SERIES OF EVENTS. <<<< YOU HAVE SPEWED VENOM and have added fuel to the fire by CHALLENGING YOUR ALLEGATIONS By saying 'HAS IT NOT HAPPENED ? YOU SHOULD COUNTER ARGUE AND ENLIGHTEN. >>>>> How clever of you to try and wriggle out your self created web. All I have done is given REBUTTALS to your point wise allegations.
August 2, 2009 - 7:29am satnam_anand

No need 4 me 2 prove u anti-Sikh ur comments prove u anti-Sikh

Romesh Kr., Sorry, I was preoccupied and had to keep you waiting for a befitting reply to your bluffs. It is well noticed that as is your wont you have again changed colours. Unlike you I don't believe in giving justifications or attempting to convince individuals by deceit and doublespeak because I strongly believe all participants (barring a few) on this site are concerned, mature and educated Gursikhs who by grace of AKALPURAKH have vision and wisdom to see through your sinister designs and make out what exactly you are trying to do. All my comments are here (along with yours) on net for everyone to read. I am putting up a few examples here :->>>>>>>>>January 2, 2009 - 6:52pm � Romesh Kumar S.Satnam Anand Ji, Very first line of your post encouraged me to express my views in this forum. Thanks a lot. >>>>>>January 17, 2009 - 8:04pm � Romesh Kumar Heartily thanks. Satnam ji, thanks for everything, every single word, example, suggestion and advice. Thanks for showing concern for a fellow human being, sikh faith and community. Thanks for your sincere wishes and effort.Your post/s are educative and enlightening. It is not a matter of individual's suitability, belief or choice but it is a matter of very purpose of sikhnet. Your post/s are serving that purpose. Please keep it up.>>>>>>>(NOW THE SAME SATNAM SINGH BECOMES A FANATIC OR A HINDU HATER IF HE OBJECTS TO YOUR FALSE ALLEGATIONS ON SIKHS. You have tried very hard to aviod giving straight forward answers to the rebuttals I have given for your allegations but I will not let you go without clearing your stand . You may call me whatever you may fancy I DON'T CARE. ( FYKI THERE IS NO SELECTIVE CUTTING AND PASTING OR MISINTERPRETING) >>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?” MY REBUTTAL: - (1.) Government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more for their motherland than the rest of 98% others put together. So, the grateful Indians often say, "SIKHS BROUGHT FREEDOM TO INDIA". (Only thankless Brahmins like you have problem with this and shamelessly question this reality as a part of certain hidden agenda to undermine the bravery and integrity of Sikhs.)>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (2) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." MY REBUTTAL: - (2.) what religious color according to you was added to the ‘ALL’ demands by Punjabis (meaning Sikhs)? In what way do you think Hindu Punjabis were ignored? WAS THE FIGHT FOR RIGHTS ON WATER SHARING BY SIKH FARMERS OF PUNJAB ‘WRONG’ OR ONLY FOR THE SIKHS? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT PUNJABI HINDUS/LALAS AND BRAHMINS LIKE YOURSELF WHO FOR GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING PUNJABI AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE BUT BETRAYED THEIR PUNJABI COMMUNITY BY REGISTERING ‘HINDI’ AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE IN THE CENSUS RESULTING IN A GREAT LOSS TO PUNJAB. WAS THE DEMAND OF ‘PUNJABI SUBA’ ONLY FOR PUNJABI SIKHS AND NOT FOR OTHER PUNJABIS? WAS IT WRONG OR AGAINST THE INTEREST OF PUNJABIS (HINDUS/SIKHS/MUSLIMS)? YOUR ALLEGATION, (3) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against Hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of Hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." MY REBUTTAL: - (3.) ----- Instead of condemning the preplanned dastardly army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan dev ji and the way your misguided Hindu brothers killed lakhs of Sikhs in 1984 you are shamelessly justifying it. SINCE YOU HAVE LIKE A SELF APPOINTED MAGISTRATE PRONOUNCED ME AS A HINDU HATER PLEASE PRODUCE EVIDENCE TO THE EFFECT. LET ME REMIND YOU ONCE AGAIN Mr.Romesh Kr that I have no reason to be a Hindu-hater, (most of my very close friends are Hindus but I have no qualms in admitting THAT I ABHOR BRAHMINICAL MINDSET OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU). I respect the religious feelings of my Hindu friends; I have never visited any Hindu site/forum or commented upon their religious customs, beliefs, the functioning of their temples, their scriptures or the working of their educational institutes. But you on other hand always interfere in every one the Sikh affairs whether it concerns you or not, you indulge in Anti-Sikh propaganda, leave no opportunity to belittle Sikhism by making false and baseless allegations against anything and everything concerning Sikhs. On top of that you expect Sikhs to take every insult/allegation/taunt/injustice/sarcasm/treachery lying down without even protesting. Now that is something very unlike SIKH SPIRIT and sort of expecting too much from a 'Quom' which knows how to sacrifice their lives for the sake of a right cause, specially if it happens to be a Sikh cause. What an irony or shall we call high headedness, abusive adjectives like sick, Hindu-hater, sadistic, sick brains, pretenders and bigot that you use for Sikhs are not provocative but words like Bodiwala / Mona / lala which are common synonyms of the word Hindu are so bad that if used for one Mr. RK (A SELF PROCLAIMED SIKH) it would amount to provoking one billion plus Hindus in particular and 99.99% of world population in general. AS FAR THE QUESTION OF APOLOGIZING, I WILL NOT TAKE A SECOND TO APOLOGIZE IF STANDING UP FOR YOUR RELIGION IS PROVED WRONG.
August 3, 2009 - 4:17am Romesh-Kumar

satnam anand

If standards and scales in general and 'tactics' in particular you are using to brand some one anti-sikh are followed then you can easily brand all the sikhs as anti-sikh. Do you not use to see difference of opinion and various versions among sikh members on every issue ? We know that none of them is 100% authentic. Are they anti-sikh and you are the only true sikh or pro-sikh ? Did I ever claim that what I wrote is 100% true or authentic ? Facts are straightened by counter-arguements and enlightenment. As a fresh example, the day Jarnail Singh threw shoe on HM, without giving a second thought I laughed and just took it as a publicity stunt encouraged by Baghdad and London incidents. When I started reading the views of members and finally his own views then I realized that he was right with no option or choice left but to react the way he did given his accessibility to HM of govt whose CBI had given clean chit to notorious JT and SK. Now Amitabh's name has also surfaced which may or may not be true but by hearing various versions, we will know. It is your comments, language, terminology and ideology you are exhibiting make others believe that you are working for agencies like ISI who use to invent or find one point or another to create divide/rift/tension between two communities. If you are really a sikh but actually a religious hard-liner/radical thereby hindu-hater then it is pointless for me to discuss anything with you. One question, are you not the one who deleted my yesterday's post to Rajwant Singh kalsi and Harman ? Feel Waheguru around you and say yes or no.
August 4, 2009 - 1:20pm satnam_anand

Romesh Kr., PLEASE TELL me

Romesh Kr., PLEASE TELL me what’s wrong with the (quote) "standards and scales in general and 'tactics' in particular" that I apply in exposing your brahminical thoughts and your double standards before the Sikh Sangat? I am simply posting your quoted allegations. NOT A WORD LESS, NOT A WORD MORE. ALSO kindly illustrate with authentic examples how all Sikhs on this site can be branded Anti-Sikhs unless they too have followed your suit and have made shameless, false and baseless allegations against Sikhs. >>>>You talk of, (quote) difference of opinion and various versions among sikh members on every issue ?" At the outset let me tell you the so called 'difference of opinion' as per your own admittance is between Sikh members only ( why does it bother you, you are not a Sikh, ਤੁਸੀ ਆਰਾਮ ਨਾਲ ਬੇਫਿਕਰ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਸੌਂ ਜਾਉ Sikhs will sort out their differences themselves). BTW let me tell you we Sikhs may have thousands of differences on various issues but on ALLEGATIONS/Matter RAISED BY YOU THERE IS ABSOLUTE UNITY AND NO DIFFERENCES AT ALL. Further FYI let me tell you no Sikh worth his salt can taunt/embarass his own community by putting up these questions, (1.) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?" (2) "Did Sikhs come from other planet or any other continent to India with sole purpose of liberating India?" (3) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring hindu majority, making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." Mr. RK No SIKH can forgive or forget the dastardly attack on Sri Akal Takhat and Darbar Sahib and every righteous person belonging to any religion or country has condemned the act in no uncertain terms (barring Mr. Vajpayee, Mr. Advani and other hard core Hindu outfits) but you have surpassed them all. FOR A SELF PROCLAIMED SIKH LIKE YOU IT IS A MATTER OF SHAME TO PUT THE BLAME OF ARMY ATTACK ON SRI DARBAR SAHIB & AKAL TAHAT SAHIB ON SIKHS THEMSELVES. Had you been a SIKH at heart you would have never had made such false allegations. HOW CONVENIENTLY YOU HAVE TERMED SUCH SERIOUS, POINTED and TAUNTING QUESTIONS WHICH ARE FULL OF CONTEMPT FOR SIKHS AS MERE MENTIONING OF COURSE OF SERIES OF EVENTS. >>>>>> NOT IN ONE OF YOUR REPLIES YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE ONE VALID ANSER TO MY REBUTTALS. Instead of being apologetic to the Sikh panth on your SHAMELESS conduct you have sought to counter attack me, calling me names using choicest of adjectives. This time you are cornered Mr. RK, you better start minding your own business and leave the SIKHS on their own. Thank you very much.
August 5, 2009 - 11:38am Romesh-Kumar

satnam anand

Your tireless efforts by not leaving any stone unturned during past three weeks to provoke sikh members have proved to be a futile exercise. Are other sikh members in the forum lesser sikkh than you are ? Pls stop venting and exhibiting your frustration now. You are clever enough to sense it.
July 22, 2009 - 9:03pm satnam_anand

RK: Don't delete, come out clean on your stand.

Romesh Kumar: WHAT HAPPENED? FEELING CORNERED? FALLING SHORT OF WORDS ON SEEING THE BEFITTING POINTWISE REBUTTALS TO YOUR FALSE ALLEGATIONS ON SIKHS. Clear your position on the points of discussion. Cut the crap, leave aside your 'Chalaak Brahmin wali kartoots’ for the time being and provide straight forward answers to the rebuttals I have given for your allegations. >>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?” REBUTTAL: - (1.) Government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more for their motherland than the rest of 98% others put together. So, the grateful Indians often say, "SIKHS BROUGHT FREEDOM TO INDIA". (Only thankless Brahmins like you have problem with this and shamelessly question this reality as a part of certain hidden agenda to undermine the bravery and integrity of Sikhs.)>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (2) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." REBUTTAL: - (2.) what religious color according to you was added to the ‘ALL’ demands by Punjabis (meaning Sikhs)? In what way do you think Hindu Punjabis were ignored? WAS THE FIGHT FOR RIGHTS ON WATER SHARING BY SIKH FARMERS OF PUNJAB ‘WRONG’ OR ONLY FOR THE SIKHS? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT PUNJABI HINDUS/LALAS AND BRAHMINS LIKE YOURSELF WHO FOR GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING PUNJABI AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE BUT BETRAYED THEIR PUNJABI COMMUNITY BY REGISTERING ‘HINDI’ AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE IN THE CENSUS RESULTING IN A GREAT LOSS TO PUNJAB. WAS THE DEMAND OF ‘PUNJABI SUBA’ ONLY FOR PUNJABI SIKHS AND NOT FOR OTHER PUNJABIS? WAS IT WRONG OR AGAINST THE INTEREST OF PUNJABIS (HINDUS/SIKHS/MUSLIMS)? YOUR ALLEGATION, (3) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against Hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of Hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." REBUTTAL: - (3.) ----- Instead of condemning the preplanned dastardly army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan dev ji and the way your misguided Hindu brothers killed lakhs of Sikhs in 1984 you are shamelessly justifying it. >>>>>> SO MUCH HATRED FOR SIKHS AND YET YOU SAY, “Why should we have anything personal against each other. We are followers of same faith and Guru Sahibans. Specially for you, (anti sikh stand)>>>> http://videos.desishock.net/index.php?module=item&action=show_item_full&itemid=186620&itemurl=aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1YmUuY29tLz92PTVPREdHREV0a3dZ
July 23, 2009 - 4:52am Romesh Kumar

I have more than enough words

I have more than enough words and time to discuss with true sikh members not WITH ISI AGENTS UNDER THE GUISE OF A SIKH or with SICK MINDED, SADISTIC AND BIGOT HINDU-HATER LIKE YOU.
July 23, 2009 - 8:06am satnam_anand

I don't hate u even. I abhor your Anti-Sikh thoughts.

Romesh Kr., I once again need to tell you that I have no reason to be a Hindu-hater, (most of my very close friends are Hindus). I respect their religious feelings, I have never visited in any Hindu site or commented upon their religious customs, beliefs, the functioning of their temples, their scriptures or the working of their educational institutes. Yes I do try to be vigilant and sincerely try to ward off Anti-Sikh propaganda especially by people like you who proclaim to be follower of Sikh religion but leave no opportunity to belittle Sikhism by making false and baseless allegations against anything and everything concerning Sikhs.On top of that you expect Sikhs to take every insult/allegation/taunt/injustice/sarcasm/treachery lying down without even protesting. Now that is something very unlike SIKH SPIRIT and sort of expecting too much from a 'Quom' which knows how to sacrifice their lives for the sake of a right cause, specially if it happens to be a Sikh cause. What an irony or shall we call high headedness, abusive adjectives like sick, sadistic, sick brains, pretenders and bigot that you use for Sikhs are not provocative but words like Bodiwala / Mona / lala which are common synonyms of the word Hindu are so bad that if used for one Mr. RK (A SELF PROCLAIMED SIKH) it would amount to provoking one billion plus Hindus in particular and 99.99% of world population in general. HERE’S THE CLEVER BRAHMIN IN YOU SPEAKING, CHANGING COLORS LIKE A CHAMELEON, WITHIN MINUTES FROM BEING A SWORN SIKH FROM THE CORE OF YOUR HEART YOU HAVE TURNED INTO A HINDU. BTW, the numbers never did and never will intimidate SIKHS so don’t try to bother with numbers. Sikhism is about true QUALITY and not cheap quantity
July 23, 2009 - 7:14am satnam_anand

ਹੁਣ ਕੋਈ ਬਹਾਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੋਈ ਟਾਲ ਮਟੌਲ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਜੁਵਾਬ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ .

Romesh Kr., We all on this site are used to your foul language, name calling, abuses and personal remarks. I don't mind because I know you are terribly upset/frutrated on being cornered and caught in your own web. (ਵੈਸੇ ਵੀ ਚੂੜਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਕਹੇ ਡੰਗਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਰਦੇ). BRAHMIN DEVTA, ਹੁਣ ਕੋਈ ਬਹਾਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੋਈ ਟਾਲ ਮਟੌਲ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਜੁਵਾਬ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ . http://videos.desishock.net/index.php?module=item&action=show_item_full&itemid=186620&itemurl=aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1YmUuY29tLz92PTVPREdHREV0a3dZ this might help you.
July 23, 2009 - 4:36am Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

POST BELOW ANSWERS EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU ISI AGENT. DO NOT DELETE NOW Is there any relevance in topic and your post ? You are a cheap pretender most likely an anti-sikh working for IB/RSS or antinational working for ISI. Shame on your being sabatsurat (if you have made over like that). Who the .....are you to ask someone that why he or she is in a public forum ? Is this website owned by your biological father ? It is socio-political matters which are always interrelated and are of the concern of everyone who take interest in reading and writing. If it is something deeply sikh religious matter like this BN/DG no non-sikh likes to step in unless he is an historian. It is in response to this question I respond by asking you to go back to your native place which is now napakistan. I did never mean it. India is a nation of 1200 million people of all the faiths nor I have any authority to say so. You fail to understand because cheap and substandard creatures and bigots like you are always failed and frustrated souls. The moment they see an hiindu name they start venting their frustrations caused by their own failures or blunders or mental sickness caused by the environment they are born and brought up. People like you (jaali sikhs) are doing worse to sikhism than what brahamans had done to Indian society. Is it you who will tell me about your family lineage ? I know your (clan's) history much more than you do. Your clan are cheap/coward/saleable hindus-turned muslims-turned sikhs of western punjab who used to change faith with change of rulers. That is authentic history and fresh example is your sister Menka Kaur Anand turned Menka Gandhi by marrying the son of a muslim. Now your nephew is claiming to be hardcore hindu custodian of hinduism !!!! This is what you are. People of your family use to marry cousins like muslims do. You people use to charge interest on any monetary help extended to parents,siblings or children. Is that your sikhi ? You are using about six login IDs in this forum two of them being female names (hiding behind panties of women ?) to confuse sikh members, why ?. When you see the mirror then do not try to break it for showing your ugly and real face as it is not fault of mirror, you need to make up,make over or introspect and improve. Myself and like-minded people of north-west India already owe our existence, our identity, our nationality, our faith to great sikh Guru Sahibans and their true sikhs. We do not need advice of cheap creature like you are. You wrote >>>>>>>>(you must have heard/read about how your great grandmother and her young daughters were saved from the Mughals and some unfortunate were sold for two ‘takka’ a piece). <<<<<<<<<<<< Yes , I have heard and read and it strengthens our resolve against antinationals. Who told you that they were 'hindu women' ? They were indian hindu and sikh women. Those invaders were two legged wild beasts who did never discriminate between hindu and sikh preys. Even if they were not my biological or genetic great grand mothers I still regard them as my own great grandmothers. Oye cheap pretender, I do not believe in casteism nor I suffix my subcaste but I am born in Rajput/Kshatriya community with same subcaste Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji had lineage to. We regard our those great grandmothers as casualities of war against invaders. Kshatriyas and true sikhs have shown and proved their valour in the battles against those invaders.Your clan/caste has never been part of that as you are cheap saleable and money-minded people. Only contribution your class and clan has made to sikhi is founding and running sikh offshoot religious sects. It is not a secret that nearly all these sikh offshoot sects who are doing business in the name of sikhi and holy Gurbani are founded or headed or managed by the people of class/clan you belong to. Sikhs in Punjab do not even enter into any matrimonial alliance with your class of sikhs as some Rajputs do not do with descendants of Maan Singh (chief of akbar's army) .Now tell me who is terribly sadistic ? Is it not you and 2 or 3 more members in the forum who use to derive sadistic pleasure out of making mention of falling of those heriones in enemy hands in this way ??? Shame on you and likeminded ones. You are nothing more than a sick, sadistic and bigot who sounds to have genes of those islamists in you that is why you boast of the acts of them and are allergic to hindu name.
July 23, 2009 - 11:38am stand for truth (not verified)

romesh kumar ji

i thought you are an engineeer in your 70s. but you are using such a language, to a person of your age and cadre. it doesn`t suits you. and we have heard your cassette "your sister Menka Kaur Anand turned Menka Gandhi..................................................." public wants to hear new songs really. may be your new album goes hit next time. thank you
July 23, 2009 - 1:02pm Romesh Kumar

Dr sahib

It is seva of a kind to expose or put on scanner these anti-national agents/foreign spies. It is seva to the faith you follow to expose and put on scanner brahamanical characters among sikhs who want to run sikhism as their own "pvt ltd company" or like a money spinning religious sect. I am not here for vote and support, as long as my soul and conscience supports me, I am in majority.
July 24, 2009 - 8:31am satnam_anand

RK: What a great sewa you have done!

Romesh Kumar, What a great sewa you have performed by exposing, Satnam Singh as an ISI agent. Hope you have FULFILLED your moral duty towards the nation by submitting the relevant documents proving me to be an ISI agent to the concerned authorities. There will be a special mention of this great sewa by you in the Prime Minister S. Manmohan Singh's Independence Day address to the Nation from the portals of RED FORT on 15 AUGUST 2009. And may be your name will recommend for the 'ATIVISHESH SEWA MEDAL' on the following Republic Day by The President Smt. Pratibha Patil. >>>> Kudos for all this but PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US WHAT WAS SO GREAT IN THE SEWA OF DEFAMING THE SIKHS THAT YOU DID BY MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS. Also please don't FORGET YOU HAVE STILL NOT COME CLEAR ON MY REBUTTALS TO YOUR FALSE ALLEGATIONS. By now every Sikh who has read about your false allegations and the rebuttals to the same must be feeling forced by love of the Sikhi to be wary of double faced personalities like you.
July 23, 2009 - 11:35am satnam_anand

RK: You would have been welcome to this site.....

Romesh Kr., This post has nothing but your frustration and helplessness. We all on this site are used to your foul language, name calling, abuses and personal remarks. I don't mind all this because I very well know you are terribly upset/frustrated on being cornered and caught in your own web. (ਵੈਸੇ ਵੀ ਚੂੜਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਕਹੇ ਡੰਗਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮਰਦੇ). BRAHMIN DEVTA, ਹੁਣ ਕੋਈ ਬਹਾਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੋਈ ਟਾਲ ਮਟੌਲ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਜੁਵਾਬ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ . We want to know why in the first place you made these false and baseless allegations against Sikhs. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, ON ONE HAND YOU CLAIM TO THE FOLLOWER OF SIKH RELIGION FROM THE DEPTH OF YOUR HEART ON THE OTHER HAND YOU LAY FALSE & BASELESS ALLEGATIONS ON SIKHS TO BELITTLE THEM. Further when you claim to have the backing of one billion Hindus then why you don’t be with them rather than bother to come to this site and indulge in bad mouthing our religion for which we constantly shun you. Now if it not for sadistic pleasure then it must be in lieu of a handsome remuneration from your RSS bosses. Please tell us what brings you here on this site. You would have been welcome to this site irrespective of your religion had your approach been to sincerely learn something about teachings of SGGS or Sikh way of life or to share some of your own good and meaningful experiences of life. Because of people like you so much time is wasted which otherwise could have been used discussing various Gurbani Shabads and other positive things. You are once again requested to keep off this site if you can't mend your ways. For now I think in all fairness you must apologize before visiting this site even if to post something positive.
July 23, 2009 - 1:34pm Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

ISI agent..........self-proclaimed custodian of sikhism, which blames are you talking of ? It is your posts which are full of frustrations. You started it, let's continue. I do not want to be welcomed by characters like you. I have 52 mails in my mail box containing words of appreciation for my realistic, bold and unbiased views from 17 true sikh members of this forum during past 30 weeks. I do not want to paste here to maintain privacy for obvious reasons and also to avoid calling names to them by bigots like you. Even in the forum there are hardly 3 members + you with about six fake id's who use to write bullshit about me.
July 23, 2009 - 10:49pm satnam_anand

RK: Thank you....

Romesh Kr., Thank you for the latest title of ISI agent that you have bestowed upon me. So anybody who questions the bonafides of your Anti-Sikh propaganda/false & baseless allegations becomes bigot, Hindu hater etc. Nothing matters now, you may abuse me, call me by any name, say whatever you want to about my family I don't care but I want you to clear you stand on your Anti-Sikh allegations. ਹੁਣ ਕੋਈ ਬਹਾਨਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੋਈ ਟਾਲ ਮਟੌਲ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਜੁਵਾਬ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ .
July 23, 2009 - 8:17am Satyajit Singh

Come on Romesh Kumar ji its

Come on Romesh Kumar ji its not very spiritual to call people names, you know better, Any spiritual path tells same thing. A Kind thought have much more encompassing positive effect. Its all the same in the end Sikhizam or Hinduizm. Krishna or Guru Nanak bot tell about the path of the heart and Simran. Best Wishes.
July 23, 2009 - 12:36pm Romesh Kumar

Satyajit Singh

This member is most likely one of those pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agents whose "only and one point programme and agenda" is to create divide and hatred between hindus and sikhs in India. He is using about six different login id's and use to confuse all members. Just follow his posts to find how he is misinterpreting every word and line of my posts to provoke sikh members. He has been trying to show that what I am writing to him is directed at all sikhs. A sincere person can first simply ask to elaborate before turning, twisting and re-editing my post to anti-sikh nature. He is not pasting my full post but picking half meant points and misinterpreting them. Singh sahib, half of my own relatives are sikhs, I am clean-shaven hindu but follow sikh way of worship. This is what his kind of agents can not swallow because sikh-minded hindus or liberal,natinalists and true sikhs are hurdle in their way and sinister designs. Difference of opinion does not mean anti or pro. We use to see difference of opinion over all issues among sikhs. Does that mean majority of sikhs are anti-sikh ??????? There are very few people who treat sikhism as there "private limited company" and they themselves being MD/Chief Executive of that. It is good if I keep him busy with me else he starts writing and calling names and abusing sikh members as well by using his other id's. I want to keep him occupied so that true sikh members can have meaningful discussions. Thanks for concern and stepping in.
July 23, 2009 - 7:41am satnam_anand

Address your reply to SIKH SANGAT on this site.

Romesh Kr., So you don't want to reply my rebuttals to false allegations made by you against the Sikhs beacause all of a sudden I have become an ISI agent for you. Doesn't matter. You don't address the reply to me directly put it in the new comments for general Sikh sangat. You may threaten me, abuse me, my family call me anything you want but I will not let you make false allegations against SIKHS and go scotfree. EITHER APOLOGIZE OR GIVE REPLY TO MY REBUTTALS. And of course don't bother to visit this site again.
July 23, 2009 - 12:42pm Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

I can not apologize to an ISI agent even at the cost of my life. As of sikh sangat, I myself wish to write and use to do that. I will explain your misinterpretations and re-editings. Wait and watch, I will keep you busy. In the interim you sign up for some more fake id's.
July 26, 2009 - 8:24pm satnam_anand

RK:Waiting for your clarifications on your AntiSikh allegations.

Romesh Kr., QUOTE:- July 23, 2009 - 7:42pm � Romesh Kumar; "I will explain your misinterpretations and re-editings. Wait and watch, I will keep you busy.">>>> The sangat is eagar hear from you straight forward answers to the rebuttals I have given for your allegations. >>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?” REBUTTAL: - (1.) Government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more for their motherland than the rest of 98% others put together. So, the grateful Indians often say, "SIKHS BROUGHT FREEDOM TO INDIA". (Only thankless Brahmins like you have problem with this and shamelessly question this reality as a part of certain hidden agenda to undermine the bravery and integrity of Sikhs.)>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (2) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." REBUTTAL: - (2.) what religious color according to you was added to the ‘ALL’ demands by Punjabis (meaning Sikhs)? In what way do you think Hindu Punjabis were ignored? WAS THE FIGHT FOR RIGHTS ON WATER SHARING BY SIKH FARMERS OF PUNJAB ‘WRONG’ OR ONLY FOR THE SIKHS? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT PUNJABI HINDUS/LALAS AND BRAHMINS LIKE YOURSELF WHO FOR GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING PUNJABI AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE BUT BETRAYED THEIR PUNJABI COMMUNITY BY REGISTERING ‘HINDI’ AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE IN THE CENSUS RESULTING IN A GREAT LOSS TO PUNJAB. WAS THE DEMAND OF ‘PUNJABI SUBA’ ONLY FOR PUNJABI SIKHS AND NOT FOR OTHER PUNJABIS? WAS IT WRONG OR AGAINST THE INTEREST OF PUNJABIS (HINDUS/SIKHS/MUSLIMS)? YOUR ALLEGATION, (3) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against Hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of Hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." REBUTTAL: - (3.) ----- Instead of condemning the preplanned dastardly army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan dev ji and the way your misguided Hindu brothers killed lakhs of Sikhs in 1984 you are shamelessly justifying it.>>>>(4.)Your hatred for other religions also, bothers me endlessly, as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts "today you and are baselessly branding 99% Muslims as anti-Indian what's the surety (in the backdrop of your brahminical mindset) tomorrow you will not say the same for Christians and then for Sikhs?" RK ; watch this clip to get some more information on ANTI SIKH agenda : >>>http://videos.desishock.net/index.php?module=item&action=show_item_full&itemid=186620&itemurl=aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1YmUuY29tLz92PTVPREdHREV0a3dZ
July 23, 2009 - 10:33pm satnam_anand

Romesh Kr., Correct yourself,

Romesh Kr., Correct yourself, I never sought an apology from you for myself but for the SIKH panth for the false and baseless allegations you put on SIKHS. 'PLEASE PINPOINT' what are the misinterpretations done by me in your false allegations. Your false allegations and my befitting rebuttals are being reproduced here for your ready reference and for the SIKH SANGAT >>>> >>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India?” REBUTTAL: - (1.) Government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more for their motherland than the rest of 98% others put together. So, the grateful Indians often say, "SIKHS BROUGHT FREEDOM TO INDIA". (Only thankless Brahmins like you have problem with this and shamelessly question this reality as a part of certain hidden agenda to undermine the bravery and integrity of Sikhs.)>>> YOUR ALLEGATION:- (2) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring Hindu majority making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." REBUTTAL: - (2.) what religious color according to you was added to the ‘ALL’ demands by Punjabis (meaning Sikhs)? In what way do you think Hindu Punjabis were ignored? WAS THE FIGHT FOR RIGHTS ON WATER SHARING BY SIKH FARMERS OF PUNJAB ‘WRONG’ OR ONLY FOR THE SIKHS? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT PUNJABI HINDUS/LALAS AND BRAHMINS LIKE YOURSELF WHO FOR GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING PUNJABI AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE BUT BETRAYED THEIR PUNJABI COMMUNITY BY REGISTERING ‘HINDI’ AS THEIR MOTHER-TONGUE IN THE CENSUS RESULTING IN A GREAT LOSS TO PUNJAB. WAS THE DEMAND OF ‘PUNJABI SUBA’ ONLY FOR PUNJABI SIKHS AND NOT FOR OTHER PUNJABIS? WAS IT WRONG OR AGAINST THE INTEREST OF PUNJABIS (HINDUS/SIKHS/MUSLIMS)? YOUR ALLEGATION, (3) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against Hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of Hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." REBUTTAL: - (3.) ----- Instead of condemning the preplanned dastardly army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan dev ji and the way your misguided Hindu brothers killed lakhs of Sikhs in 1984 you are shamelessly justifying it. >>>>>(MUST SEE THE anti sikh stand)>>>> http://videos.desishock.net/index.php?
July 20, 2009 - 9:52am satnam_anand

Sikhism is about true quality. Quantity is secondary. - II

July 18, 2009 - 7:23pm � Romesh Kumar, Pursuant to my earlier post in connection with condemning the blatant false allegations of a staunch (RSS) Anti-Sikh agent, I want you to answer the following:- Was the fight for rights on WATER sharing by Sikh farmers of Punjab ‘WRONG’ or only for the Sikhs? Brahmin Devta, go and ask your Hindu Majority why they opposed this demand? WAS IT AGAINST THE INTEREST OF PUNJAB/PUNJABIS? WAS THIS DEMAND ‘CASE SENSITIVE’ (hence unfulfilled?). More autonomy for states within the Frame Work of Indian Constitution--- What’s wrong with it? Was it only for Punjabi Sikhs not for all Punjabis? (Or Thanks to Brahmins like you, Hindus are no more Punjabis?) Seeking permission for transmission of Kirtan from Darbar Sahib at their own cost--- Was it an anti-national demand? >>> Romesh Kr:- QUOTE:- "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." ----- Instead of condemning the preplanned dastardly Army action of destroying Sri Akal Takhat Sahib and mercilessly slaughtering innocent sangat gathered there on the occasion of the Shahidi Gurpurab of Guru Arjan Dev Ji and the way your Hindu brothers killed lakhs of Sikhs in 1984 you are shamelessly justifying it. If the action was to flush out Sant Jarnail Singh and his associates there were hundred and one ways to do so, without any damage to Akal Takhat or the cold blooded carnage and could have been done on any day other than a Gurupurab. I REALLY ABHOR YOUR AUDACITY OF SWEARING TO BE A FOLLOWER OF SIKHISM WHILE BEARING SUCH HATRED AND CONTEMPT FOR SIKHS. Did you ever apply your evil mind towards the root cause of this problem---- ‘ITS PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE YOU’. Extreme Elements that you talk of are products of frustration of being discriminated and unheard of atrocities. In this age of advanced technology and with ‘RTI’ Act at your disposal first of all you are advised to set your records right. Number of Sikhs killed in fake encounters is far more than the unfortunate causalities suffered by Hindus. >>> Regarding your views on Article 25 all I need to tell you is that you will never to be able to understand that Why Sikhs don’t want to termed as Hindus because you are not a SIKH. >>> Now its my turn to repeat: - Your hatred for other religions also, bothers me endlessly, as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts "today you and are baselessly branding 99% Muslims as anti-Indian what's the surety (in the backdrop of your brahminical mindset) tomorrow you will not say the same for Christians and then for Sikhs?" Your reply, “THAT IS NOT HATERED BUT CONCERN” is totally unconvincing. In fact your views on Indian Muslims are pathetic like that of 15th century Brahmin. Let me assure you that Indian Muslims are as much Indian as others are and for sure better than cunning Brahmins like you. >>> I think I have shown you the mirror about your real face/thought, which is that of a Brahmin and expect you not to make false claims of being follower of Sikhism. >>>> Now the main thing please understand this site is predominantly about the religious, socio-political matters mostly related to Sikhism and which are or should be of no concern of anyone like you who is full of contempt for Sikhism and is deliberately trying to provoke reaction and use this forum as a sadistic form of entertainment. We Sikhs don't interfere in your socio-religious affairs; we don't hurt you with sarcastic remarks about your religion and expect you to keep away.
July 23, 2009 - 4:45am Romesh Kumar

satnam anand

ISI AGENTS LIKE YOU HAD NOT SUCCEEDED IN CREATING A STREET-FIGHT BETWEEN HINDUS AND SIKHS EVEN IN THE DECADE OF 80s. YOU CAN KEEP TRYING. "Myself and like-minded people of north-west India already owe our existence, our identity, our nationality, our faith to great Sikh Guru Sahibans and their true Sikhs." I really appreciate this first positive thing I have seen coming from your side but if you really mean every word of it then why so much contempt for anything concerning Sikhs & Sikhism reflects from your baseless comments (I am not complaining about the personal remarks you made against me). GO THROUGH MY POSTS , I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THIS QUOTE HAS APPEARED NEARLY IN ONE DOZEN OF MY POSTS AND I MEAN IT FROM DEPTH OF MY HEART. Your comments are nothing but doublespeak which are sometimes coated with sugar and sometimes are shamelessly pretentious & sarcastic. BEAUTY LIES IN THE EYES OF BEHOLDER. A few examples: - (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India? YES, I REPEAT IT. (2) Did Sikhs come from other planet or any other continent to India with sole purpose of liberating India?" EXACTLY, SIKHS ARE SONS OF INDIAN SOIL, SHE IS THEIR MOTHERLAND AND THEY HAVE HONESTLY AND SINCERELY DONE THEIR DUTY TOWARDS THEIR MOTHERLAND IN THICK AND THIN. THE CORRECT AND AGREABLE QUOTE SHOULD BE "SIKHS HAVE DONE MUCH MORE FOR MOTHERLAND THAN OTHERS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR NUMERICAL STRENGTH" (3) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring hindu majority, making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." HAS IT NOT HAPPENED ? YOU SHOULD COUNTER ARGUE AND ENLIGHTEN ME (4) "Extreme elements joined hands with descendants of mughals against hindus and Indian state killing tens of thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands of hindus in Punjab. This led to army intervention in Punjab, followed by backstabbing of Prime Minister resulting in most henious 84 riots and so on." YES, MYSELF AND MILLIONS OF HINDUS AND SIKHS HAVE SEEN IT HAPPENING IN PUNJAB/INDIA. YOU SHOULD COUNTER ARGUE AND ENLIGHTEN ME (5) Your views on article 25 are also very insensitive towards the sentiments of Sikhs. READ MY POSTS ON ARTICLE 25 AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU WRITING ? ??? (6) Your hatred for other religions also, bothers me endlessly, as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts "today you and are baselessly branding 99% Muslims as anti-Indian what's the surety (in the backdrop of your brahminical mindset) tomorrow you will not say the same for Christians and then for Sikhs?" THAT IS NOT HATERED BUT CONCERN.THEY STILL BELIEVE THAT INDIA IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THEIR ANCESTORS AND INNERLY STILL LOOK DOWN AT OTHERS/KAFIRS. THEY LIVE IN INDIA, ENJOY SPECIAL STATUS, SPECIAL AND PERSONAL LAWS, ENJOY AND AVAIL HAJ SUBSIDIES (ONLY SECULAR/NON-ISLAMIC COUNTRY DOING SO). INSPITE OF THAT THEY HAVE PRO-NAPAK AND ANTI-INDIAN SENTIMENTS. IT IS 1% OF THEM WHO ARE TALENTED AND THERE TALENT IS NOT BURIED OR IGNORED OR SIDELINED IN SECULAR INDIAN SYSTEM FOR THEIR BEING MUSLIM (MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS) >>>>>> Mr. Romesh I have nothing personal against you but your thoughts which by all definitions are Anti Sikh. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST EACH OTHER. WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF SAME FAITH AND GURU SAHIBANS EVEN IF I AM NOT OFFICIAL/FORMAL/SABAT-SURAT SIKH. DO FORMAL SIKHS NOT USE TO HAVE OPINION DIFFERENCE AND PARLEY ON DIFFERENT ISSUES ?????????? PLEASE DO NOT CALL ME ANTI-SIKH. I never claimed that this site belonged to my biological father but FYI it is predominantly about MY FAITH AND ETERNAL SPIRITUAL FATHER. This site deals with the socio-political matters mostly related to Sikhism and which are or should be of no concern of anyone like you who is full of contempt for Sikhism and is deliberately trying to provoke reaction and use this forum as a sadistic form of entertainment. We Sikhs don't interfere in your socio-religious affairs; we don't hurt you with sarcastic remarks about your religion (MY RELIGION IS SIKHISM) and expect you to stop bothering us. IT CAN BE POSSIBLE WHEN ALL SABATSURAT SIKHS WILL HAVE THEIR SEPARATE PLACE IN INDIA AND NO NONSIKH WILL BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THERE LIKE WHAT THEY ALMOST HAVE IN AFGHANISTAN. BUT SIKHS ARE A CIVILIZED COMMUNITY AND TWO OF FIVE TAKHTS ARE IN PATNA SAHIB AND NANDED SAHIB EXCLUSIVELY RELATED TO OUR TENTH GURU, FOUNDER OF KHALSA, SHRI GURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAJ. HIS WORLDLY ABODE WAS PREORDAINED AND HE KNEW THE FUTURE AS WELL.
July 20, 2009 - 9:56am satnam_anand

Sikhism is about true quality. Quantity is secondary. - I

July 18, 2009 - 7:23pm Romesh Kr. Quote: - (1) "How can someone say that Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India? YES, I REPEAT IT”. >>> You have laid stress on 'YES, I REPEAT IT' by writing in capital letters. When you claim to be a follower of Sikh religion then tell us, "Aap de kanan nu eh gal sunan which ki taqleef hai ki Sikhs brought/gave freedom to India". Let me enlighten you on this: - The statement gains weight because “Government records show that Sikhs who constitute just 2% of the total population have done much more for their motherland than the rest of 98% others put together. So without taking away any due credit from others too who fought for their country, the grateful Indians often say, "SIKHS BROUGHT FREEDOM TO INDIA". Only thankless Brahmins like you have problem with this and shamelessly question this reality as a part of certain hidden agenda to undermine the bravery and integrity of Sikhs.>>> As far your second point QUOTE:- (2) "After independence, religious color was added to all demand of Punjabis and Punjab (meaning Sikhs) ignoring hindu majority (THE VERY STYLE OF YOUR WRITING SMACKS OF CONTEMPT), making all the demands 'case sensitive' hence unfulfilled." , all I would like to say is that neither myself nor others who have been following your comments would be shocked at such a blatant false statement from you. Leave aside being a Sikh, tell us fearlessly as a staunch ‘BRAHMIN/ PUNJABI LALA HINDU/PUNJABI’; what religious colour according to you was added to the ‘ALL’ demands by Punjabis (meaning Sikhs)?, In what way do you think Hindu Punjabis were ignored?. After independence different States/Subas were carved out on linguistic criteria by Prime Minister Pt. Nehru like Gujarat for Gujratis, Bengal for Bengalis, Maharashtra for Mahrathis and so on…. But Pt. Nehru ‘marda mar gaya par Punjabian nu Punjabi Suba nahi ditta’ he used all his might against formation of Punjabi Suba and backed from his promise that he had made to the Sikh community before independence saying, “THE CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED NOW”. Now RK Brahmin devta ji, you tell us:- Was the demand of ‘PUNJABI SUBA’ only for Punjabi Sikhs and not for other Punjabis. Was it wrong or against the interest of Punjabis (Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims)? What have you got to say about Punjabi Hindus/lalas and Brahmins like yourself who for generations have been speaking Punjabi as their mother-tongue but betrayed their PUNJABI community by registering ‘HINDI’ as their mother-tongue in the census resulting in a great loss to Punjab.>>> I ‘ll take up your next point about ‘extreme elements’ too very soon and expose your lies. You are a wolf in sheep's skin --- swearing to believe in Sikhism and being full of contempt for Sikhs.
July 23, 2009 - 4:12am Romesh Kumar

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YOU ARE SURELY AN ISI AGENT. I HAVE NEVER EVER DELETED ANY POST NOR THESE ONES. YOU DID SO BY DELETING YOUR OWN FOLLOWED BY MY OWN.I doubt if you are in normal state of mind after I showed mirror to introduce you to yourself. You should read your on posts to find that my post was just an answer to your questions you were raising in you various posts. What exactly are you looking for ? Try to restore your senses and calm instead of wasting time on sikhnet. You are exhibiting something like a direct enemity between you and me for last seven generations. It is laughable and speaks of your state of mind that you are holding me responsible for the deeds of politicians,rulers,religious leaders,policy-makers of different times and different faiths. All of us use to write what we know and feel. Our facts and beliefs are based on small knowledge we have. Every passing day is another day with more enlightenment and knowledge gathered like this. YOU ARE BEYOND DOUBT A SICK, SADISTIC AND BIGOT HINDU-HATER. I DOUBT IF YOU ARE REALLY AND ACTUALLY A SIKH. WHO KNOWS ? One example ( DO FORMAL AND BORN SIKHS NOT USE TO HAVE OPINION DIFFERENCE WITH EACH OTHER ) in my last post was more than enough for a normal human being to understand. This opinion difference is found to the extent of sikh code of conduct and conventions to the authenticity of sikh scriptures!!!!!!!! What will you call them ? Non-sikh or enemy of sikhs ? No you can't, unless you are insane. MY ONLY CONCERN AND REASON OF REPLYING THIS CRAP YOU HAVE POSTED IS TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE DOING NOTHING EXCEPT MISINTERPRETING MY SIMPLE AND BRIEF COMMENTS FOR REASONS BEST KNOWN TO YOU. WHO ARE YOU MISLEADING AND FOR WHAT ? You are burning midnight oil just to twist and turn my comments to anti-sikh nature to provoke sikh members. YOU ARE SICK, TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. These comments are not going to make any good or bad effect on anyone anywhere any time. This is nothing more than a hobby BUT CAN EASILY WORSEN THE CONDITION OF YOUR SICKNESS. One billion plus hindus or twenty five million sikhs are not enough to advise me on my belief, way of worshipping and life and ideology as none of them is a master or guru. I am answerable to almighty, omnipresent and omniscient God or my conscience and soul. It is you who should stop writing in sikhnet as it affects the image of otherwise a best sikh community as awhole. I REPEAT IF IT COULD ENTER YOUR SICK MIND......It is you who should stop visiting and writing in sikhnet as it affects the image of otherwise a best sikh community as a whole. In some of the posts sikh members have same views about you.

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