The Value of Your Hair

June 8th, 2009 Source: www.mrsikhnet.com

ANTENNAS OF YOUR BODY
Hair is the most potent, purest form of protein in the world.  The very root of the hair has the oil of the protein.  This oil is enough to support your brain through any activity.  One thing Nature knows is that in every part of your body you have to have hair, because they are the antennas for that area of the body.  Each cell in the body goes through certain changes, and who is to provide that change in the antennas?  Hair.

Hair is the pranic antenna.  It is energy, pure protein.  Take a bunch of cut hair and put it around a tree and see what happens to the tree.  It shoots up.

 

VITAMIN PROVIDER
God is not just a mischief-monger to give a human the longest hair on the scalp.  Its purpose is to work on the brain.  The brain needs vitamin D, energy, phosphorus, and metals.  The number of units of vitamin D that these hairs provide immediately to the brain is unbelievable.

 

Sikh HairRISHI KNOTS (Jura) AND WOODEN COMBS
It is very positive for a woman to wear her hair tied on top of her head on the solar center in a rishi knot.  It is obligatory for the woman to wear her hair down at night, loose or in a braid.  Braiding the hair at night is one of the most wonderful ways to take care of your most powerful energy antennas.  For normal health of her eyes, menstruation cycle and long maintenance of her youth it is obligatory that she use a wooden comb, combing her hair back, forward, back, and so on.  This is for circulation of the scalp area.

Men tie a rishi knot almost where the soft point was when he was a child. A woman's hair is supposed to be tied exactly at the solar centers.  Why? Well, she doesn't have a beard and we never asked why.  Because of the waning and waxing of the moon, she has to protect her solar centers more powerfully than the male.

When a woman's hair is loose, her identity to submit becomes a hundred times greater.  In old times it was a custom that when a woman went to her husband in intimacy, she let her hair down.  Unfortunately, now, during the day, everybody has their hair loose. Understand this action in the light of the downfall of sexual values.  The old Judaic and Islamic scriptures say that a "woman with loose hair and a mad dog have no difference whatsoever as far as integrity is concerned."

Men should also comb their hair with a wooden comb.  A wooden comb is one simple thing which does not create any charge or discharge of electromagnetic energy.  That's why we use wood.  Wood is surely and definitely a bad conductor of heat and electricity. It is a very healthy thing for combing your hair.

 

WOODEN COMBS
The wooden comb is for whenever you feel low in energy.  Just comb your hair back and forth with a wooden comb, right there on the spot.  It is just like a shot in the arm.  Try it sometime.  It works much faster than you can imagine.  The wooden comb is a very virtuous thing.

 

HEAD COVERINGS
It is written that it is very non-righteous to expose your hair to the cruelty of the change of weather. The Eskimos keep their heads covered all the time.  In the tropics, even the basic tribes have their heads covered, just like we tie a turban.

 

SHAVING THE HEAD
In ancient times, shaving the head was a sign of the slave, so all monks were to be shaven.  And they were just spiritual destitutes.  They depended just on that message, that is why it was made possible to dishonor them by cutting off their hair.  Cutting the hair on your head, on the crown, does nothing but dishonor yourself.  Ancient man through all his knowledge knew it, but there were so many monks that it became a fashion.  The barbers took over.

A monk is a person who only carries a message and is dead in his personality.  If you take a monk by the neck and beat him to death, he should not utter a word, if he is a monk.  That person has the right to shave his head. Shaving your head means you have lost your total existence, energy, and your contact with God.  You are only carrying the master's word, you have nothing of your own.

For many centuries, even in the West, the knights, the barons, and all those big people, when they lost a war, they never were killed.  They used to ask for death, but the winning knight would just cut off the locks of hair of the loser.

 

BANGS
A woman should never wear her hair over her forehead.  God can grow hair wherever He likes, but no hair grows on the forehead.  The forehead bone, the sinus bones or the frontal bone, is porous because it functions to transmit light to the pineal gland in the brain.

An experiment was done in which 40 women covered their forehead area between the eyebrows and the hairline for 40 days.  The result was that those women could not look into the eyes of a male.

 

LEGS AND ARMPITS
Most women in America shave their legs and armpits.  Perhaps if they realize that by cutting the hairs under the arms they are affecting their magnetic field and the sympathetic nervous system and that by shaving the leg hairs they are altering the electromagnetic field of the lower spine, they might think twice about shaving.  Women do not understand what those tiny, tiny hairs on their legs do for them.  They only know they are bad things.  You know how the legs move, right?  On both sides of the legs there are hairs.  Those hairs create an electromagnetic field which balances the movement of the pituitary.  You shave it and it is your problem; they say it can make you insane.

From the book Ancient Art of Self Healing which is a collection of excerpts from lectures, notes and classes by SSS Harbhajan Singh Khalsa (Yogi Bhajan) .

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Comments

First of all we should be

First of all we should be user of nice words and comments should be in diplomatic and cool language.When the people of other cumminities ,interested in sikhism read or hear rough language, they are not conviced with our history, religion and philosophy what ever they read in books related to sikhs. WE have to controll our tongue.

Dear people, Please no more abuse.

Dear People.
Be nice to each other. There is no need for any abuse. If you have nothing good to write , please at least do not say anything nasty. If someone does write something that stings, then let it go. Don't react. Stay calm. God loves all. Be in the image of the God. Do as you think God would do. Don't let yourselves down.

Tandem Act

Only4GOD:You preach peace here and then post hurtful views under 'Fanatic Sikhs forgot GOD'. http://www.sikhnet.com/news/american-sikhs-run-billion-dollar-security-firm It is interesting that you normally resurface when PCJ is under attack - a tandem act, I presume.

Congratulations to Pakistan Cricket Team on World 20-20 victory

Congratulations Pakistan. You got better and better towards end of tournament. Commiserations Sri Lanka. You were better team of tournament but messed up today. Always God's will.
India you should take up even more Sikhs in your team. You should have tall Sikhs as fast powerful bowlers. Pathan is good, but you need more bowling fire power and sikhs will give you this.
Good tournament.

Aulakh ji

Dear Sir, Only one way simply ignore him. We/He knows that no body can do any thing on net and in India he may get Z category security as prize. So please ignore and don't respond his mail.

saadh sangat jiiiii!!!!!!!1

saadh sangat jii,,,,je koi guru di beadi kare.......unnu bakshna nahi chaida........guru gobind singh ji ne mugla de kilaaf hatiyaar chakke si,,te aurangzeb warge nu kattal kita si......maharaja ranjit singh,,,hari sing naluwa ne mugla de ser kalam kite si......sahid bhagt singh te udham singh wargeya ne angreja nu muh tod jawab dita si........is time PCJ te atte kai forge dera banoun walya nu muh tod jawab dena chaida..............vinenna ch sant ramanad nu chakk dita ki hoya.............aye te hona he siii jeda akal purk di khilaaf jaave..............ajj we hona te agge we hunda rahu gaan................kom di rakhya forum ch bey je sophisticated comment den nal nahi honi........kaum balidan mangdi di yaa............te fer je k ser chukk ke jeen di azadi mildi yaa.........PCJ warga te ik bacha yaa.......jis din ayda pata lagg gaya aysi chadai ho jaani,,,,,,,,,,,,ssa

Calm down and think of God

Calm down good people. Remembrance of God leads to peace of mind. Some of you don’t have peace of mind. Think why you don’t. Maybe you don't Remember God at all but only remember religion gurus and scriptures. Don’t let your ego make you angry. Be quiet now and think only of God. You will get peace of mind. You must try though. If you don’t try you will continue to let over-inflated ego in your various types of religion and sub-types of religion run riot. You will stay unhappy. Please try. If you believe in God, then do it for God’s sake. God is always number one and not any religion. God wants peace not conflict over religion. Conflict over religion is always abuse of God. Life can be simple and peaceful if you stop to think. Love of God does not mean love of religions made up by humans. Humans always have pride, it just switches from pride in one religion to pride in another religion. Then comes the conflict because of misplaced pride. Have faith in God only.

Nice suggestion --- I'll think about it !!

Nice suggestion --- I'll think about it !! But FYI.... there are some ppl on this forrum who are there to steal away our peace of mind.... I beg u please give a similar sort of suggestion to them.... Or counsel them so that he/ she can realise the extent of our patience and tolerance that we've shown to his/ her comments for the last 6 months.... BTW excess of evrything is BAD including self-control and calmness..... Please don't consider me wrong as I've not replied to cunter ur comment but to genuinely let u know what's up for the last 6 months !!

hamran ji!!!!!

harman bhaaji,,,,,ki kariyee gussa bahut aounda ki inu trace nahi kar pa rahe cali ch ho ke we ,, nahi te jediaaa hawavaan ch aye uddeya ferda inu dass dinde....kende rabb de ghar der yaa andher nahi....kade te udeeke avu gaan, ajj nahi te kal.....aye sade guru gobind singh ji di sikhi de khilaaf lalkaare marda.....inu aye nahi pata jiss dinn aye uddeke aa gaya us din maafiaa mangan jhoga we nahi rena ine..........koi ni time sab kuj dassu.rabb jani jaan yaa

Jinna marzi pyaar naal samjhaao.... isnu koi asar hi nai

Jinna marzi pyaar naal samjhaao.... isnu koi asar hi nai..... Aj ton 6 months pehele asi v badi koshish keeti.... saade sabh de comments wich PCJ ji, PCJ veer ji, Brother PCJ, Dear PCJ, iddan likhiya hunda si...... Te inni sir-khapaai karan ton baad v aa nai sudhareya.... Lagda inne "motti rakam" khaadi aa ithe gand paun waaste.... Kyunki inni bejti hon ton baad kutta v pind chad ke bhaj jaanda...... innu pata nai pyaar wali bhaasha samajh hi nai aundi !!

Harman

Dear Sir, Only one way simply ignore him. We/He knows that no body can do any thing on net and in India he may get Z category security as prize. So please ignore and don't respond his mail.

PCJ!!!! LANDU

teri bhen di teri di PCJ,,,,tu dass FBI nu sade comments dass and then we willl see what a civilized country does against it......mein sarre aam apna address chadu gaan ithe forum ch ...,,,tu salya darpok nO.1 ya,, tere ch dum nahi , mein pele we challenge kita si te ajj we karda,,dass tu cali ch kithe renda..................ik gal hor KPS gill nu apni bhen da najayaj rishta dita hona jeda odiaa tareefa karda ithe bey ke...bhamana di gal karda tu.......bhamana nu kuskkan nahi dai da asi ....kithe ferda tu fookerya, bahar nikal te sahi jara tere warge LANDU nu chakkan nu cher we nahi lagna je tera pata lagg gaya.....putt jede pange tu lainda ferda na peyovaan nal dekhi kise din tera banda ki yaa.........

Oye Bhootni deyo, kanjaro,

Oye Bhootni deyo, kanjaro, mai taa'n kaday KPS Gill nu dekheya nehi par oh tohaaday jaroor daang pher giya....

Aulakh bhaaji!! tusi great ho......

Aulakh bhaaji!! tusi great ho...... Mazaa aa jaanda tuhaade comments padhan daa..... Kash main v othe America hunda tuhaade naal..... Rallke maanjde isnu aapan !!

KPS Gill did fake encounters..... PCJ

If KPS Gill was a real man, he would've never done fake encounters of young sikh boys.......

Well KPS Gill has already

Well KPS Gill has already challenged you and kill some of your people. You are bragging about such a man and threatening me who has done nothing compared what KPS Gill did to you people. What happened to your manhood when KPS Gill killed your people?

I'm not threatrening u ----- Lemme make that very clear

I'm not threatrening u ----- Lemme make that very clear.......... I'm giving u an idea what are we made of !!!! I don't believe in improvising on the fear-gene..... coz I believe in LOVE!!!! ANd PCJ!! 1 yr. old babies cannot show man/ womanhood.....

Maybe a one-year0old child

Maybe a one-year-old child couldn't but you are still alive, why don't you show how much of a man you are?

Oye tu gal kardein manhood di ??

Oye tu gal kardein manhood di ?? TU..... Even if I judge u on a Human-level without any religious parameters, u're not worth it.... I don't Know u're a person or a team specially hired for an agenda/ doing it for fun/ doing it out of personal rivalary for sikhs...... but ...... Some simple equations for u are: INTEGRITY = 0, SELF-ESTEEM = 0, COURAGE = 0, RATIONALE = 0, HUMILITY = 0, FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE = 0, TOLERANCE = 0, BENEVOLENCE = 0, PHILANTHROPY = 0, FRIENDLINESS = 0, POLITENESS = 0..... And what else can we expect of a Hardcore Devil.... I think u're SATAN personified !! And I don't want to imbibe any negative influences form ur personality traits .... so I'll go with the cyber sangat and try my level best to avoid your non-sense talk which you think is the most civilized in the universe !!

I am who I am... I don't need

I am who I am...

I don't need your opinion about me, nor does it matter what your opinion of me is...

I am here to make sure that you don't misuse Lord's name. You people claim that you believe in The Lord and know about The Lord but your behavior clearly shows that you are not even near The Lord...

The bottom line is that you wanted to kill me because of what I have said about Sikhs. I could be anybody. If you were man enough to fight and/or kill anyone, why not just look around you and fight the people who have done harm to Sikhs? KPS Gill is one of those. Those responsible for killing Sikhs in '84 are still around and you know who they are. Go fight them...

Yes we, Theodorus Ji and I, were having civilized discussion until your butt in with your uncivilized behavior. Did you butt in because you thought that Theodorus Ji has lost an argument?

To all brothers.

As we all now this kutay di puch nay siddi nahi hona harman veer aulakh veer we all try this many time in past then why we are wasting a time with this dog.Is tha o kaam a ki saas nu nu khandy a ke kuriay atta gundi hildi kuan a.He just want fun for him fightiing with some one.As aulakh veer said is tha address find out karo te bhog pa deo is tha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMN7YkVwnO8

Awesome video Nimana ji!!

Awesome video Nimana ji!!

Just to let you know, in

Just to let you know, in Punjab, killing and threatening to kill may not be that big of a deal. But here in the civilized countries, it's taken very seriously, even on the net.

If you want, I can report this to FBI and then for sure, they will find you...

Why not replace that violent song with this beautiful song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I9msnGWFBY

PCJ !! Mainu nahin c pata tere warge

PCJ !! Mainu nahin c pata tere warge fookriyaan di v inni wadiya choice ho sakdi aa......

Eh pasand ta'n sirf saaday

Eh pasand ta'n sirf saaday wargeya changay insaana di hai... Tere wargay terrorist di pasand oh punjabi gaana si...

Teri...........

Teri........... Chalo chhado paraa'n !!

Oye saaleya baandara, tera

Oye saaleya baandara, tera ehi niaanapan Sikha nu gaala kadauda ate Govt. ate Hindua'n to'n marbaunda...

Tu bada siyaana'n hai naa...... Khoteya

Tu bada siyaana'n jameya hain naa...... Saari duniya di siyaanap te tu saambh k baitha hain naa.....!! Teri siyaanap wekh hi rahe haa'n pichle 6 mahineeyan ton..... Hun tu mere baare jaan hor sikhaan baare jo-jo bhaunkanaa hai bhaunk lai..... Waise v tu BHORAN da lisecnce laike jammiya lagda hain!!!! Tere bhorupune naal asi muqaabla nai kar sakde !! Mere hisaab naal Sikhnet waaliyaan nu tere lai ek special BEST BHORU da award kaddna chahida !!..... Hun tu apni siyaanap apne kol saambhke rakh lai kyunki ithe teri siyaanap di lod hai ni gi !!

Sahc taa'n eh hai ke tu

Sach taa'n eh hai ke tu sachayi da muqabla nehi karsakda...

Tu bada siyaana'n hai naa......

Tu bada siyaana'n jameya hain naa...... Saari duniya di siyaanap te tu saambh k baitha hain naa.....!! Teri siyaanap wekh hi rahe haa'n pichle 6 mahineeyan ton..... Hun tu mere baare jaan hor sikhaan baare jo-jo bhaunkanaa hai bhaunk lai..... Waise v tu BHORAN da lisecnce laike jammiya lagda hain!!!! Tere bhorupune naal asi muqaabla nai kar sakde !! Mere hisaab naal Sikhnet waaliyaan nu tere lai ek special BEST BHORU da award kaddna chahida !!..... Hun tu apni siyaanap apne kol saambhke rakh lai kyunki ithe teri siyaanap di lod hai ni gi !!

Sikhnet Objectives!

I have been observing this person (PCJ) for quite some time. He has, deliberately, been provoking Sikhs by using profane and abusive language against them and their Gurus. There is plenty of evidence on the Sikhnet Forums. Why Sikhnet has ignored this and not taken any action puzzles me. Can someone explain? One is forced to think that perhaps it is in their interests of Sikhnet to create disunity amongst the people coming from the Punjabi Culture (to strengthen the western Religion v Culture argument). I pray I am wrong on this and would invite a Sikhnet spokesperson to clarify their stand on this matter. I have been a Sikh for a very long time, well before, I assume, respected Yogi Bhajan ji introduced Sikhi to our American brothers. .............. Individuals, like Theodorus, have engaged with him at length. Theodorus ji is a very nice and a humble person. PCJ, in my opinion, is taking advantage of this and engaging him into long threads just to get attention and provoke Sikhs. PCJ is a self-confessed Sikh dropout. Then, why is he spending so much time on Sikhnet? Has this not occurred to the administrators? Theodorus, being new to Sikhism and the Sikh culture (he has never been to India) is innocent about the effect that this has on the Sikh psyche and morale. I personally get very agitated by the comments PCJ makes about Sikhism and the Sikh Gurus, despite my partial success over ‘krodh’ one of the five evils. What effect does this person have on young Sikhs? ............... Don’t Guruka Singh and other leading lights of Sikhnet read the comments? I notice Guruka Singh ji, every now and then, popping his head and make brief comments and issues ‘edicts’. ............... The parties on both sides are now getting very abusive and, frankly, I hold Sikhnet administrators for allowing matters to reach this stage. Before long, if anything untoward is to happen, it will be the Sikhs and their Punjabi culture to blame! Is this what the Sikhnet want? ............... My suggestion to my young (I assume they are compared to the ‘antique piece’ writing) Sikh brothers is: Please calm down and stop engaging with this person - COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, UNITE AND REGROUP AND START AN INSTITUTE OF YOUR OWN (including a website) TO PROMOTE TRUE SIKHI AND SIKH VALUES. ............. That is where the future is - not in violence or violent/abusive talk. The future bodes well but it does hold obstacles, trials and tribulations for the Sikhs – we are well used to these. There is no future in engaging with ‘dropouts’. The future lies in unity, righteous action, spiritual pursuits and love for all mankind. However, this does not mean taking all abuse lying down either. Only when all other courses of action fail do we resort to something stronger. .............. If you endorse my views please write in. I think Sikhnet has facilities to email me direct? Although I will not be posting on the Sikhnet regularly due to travel in the next seven weeks, I will get back to you ASAP and perhaps we can do something positive for our wonderful faith. We must not allow others to ‘highjack’ Sikhism and tamper with it in any way. Sikhism is pure and simple and that is how it should remain, without spin, ritual or gimmicks. God Bless. Arshi

Arhsi ji, Sat Sri Akal

Arhsi ji, Sat Sri Akal with lots of love and sincere regards. Obeying your advice I had restrained myself for a very long time from getting even with this incorrigible PCJ (Pitiable Contemptible JERK) in the only language he understands. Now that you too have finally realised that he is deliberately trying to provoke Sikhs by using abusive against our Gurus, I hope you will excuse me and others for dealing with this JERK in the manner which he deserves. By the way I too share your concern like many that why 'GURKA SINGH ' is sleeping over the issue of our Gurus being abused by PCJ.

Nice to hear from you

You are right Satnam ji, I do not understand the silence Sikhnet is maintaining on this issue. What limits have to be transgressed before they take appropriate action? I have never seen such disrespect shown to the Sikh Gurus. Calling each other names is one thing but referring to our Gurus in this manner is very hurtful, to say the least. I only intervened as things were getting a bit ugly. I truly feel for my young Sikh friends and share their frustration. You are right it takes steel to cut steel and I will not restrain you any longer. It is good to hear from you. It may interest you to follow some of the threads I have contributed to on the Discussion and Q and A Forums. God Bless. Arshi

If Sikhs were wise enough,

If Sikhs were wise enough, they would give no reason at all to call your gurus any names. Sikhs butt in for no reason at all with all that abuse. Then they and anybody else who inspired them to abuse deserve the abuse back...

Arshi ji

Dear Arshi ji, Only one way simply ignore him. We/He knows that no body can do any thing on net and in India he may get Z category security as prize. So please ignore and don't respond his mail.

Agreed Human ji. Refer to my

Agreed Human ji. Refer to my last concluding post. I only intervened as matters were getting a liitle out of control. I will get back to you all later as I am in a bit of rush now. God Bless and keep calm.

Arshi Ji, Tell me one thing I

Arshi Ji,

Tell me one thing I said to Theodorus that was offensive to you... The problem only arises when a stupid Punjabi Sikh butts in

This is good challenge for you to prove that Sikhs are not liars...

What I have found out so far that some of the Sikhs are compulsive liars and that includes some of the ones from older generation and people in responsible positions...

Sir, if you were truthful, you wouldn't worry about me spending so much time on Sikhnet, you would have a valid counter-argument....

Make the right move PCJ

I will respond to you in my resolve to keep matters at a civil and decent level. .......... I only intervened as this is getting out of hand including threats of violence etc. This kind of posting worries me a lot and I intervened before further damage is done. Even as Punjabis, if not as Sikhs, we must not make a fool of ourselves. ........... Theodorus ji is a mature, kind and humble person and not easily upset. But many others who frequent this site are young and impressionable. Therefore, a decent protocol is vital. Even if this protocol is breached, then let us keep the abuse (i.e. name calling) personal, i.e. between individuals. What I felt most hurtful is when you malign ALL Sikhs (that also includes me and many others who are even better persons than me) and also use unkind words about the Sikh Gurus – just go through your posts and see for yourself. .......... I just quote a couple here “ Mainu lagda musalmaana ne tere guru nu es karkay hi maareya hona, kiyoke tera guru ohna nu vi gaala kadada hona.... ..Oye sohri deya tera Guru Gobind Singh taa'n apnay aap nehi bacha sakeya, ta'n ohnay hor kisay nu ki bachauna”.............. Then on 15 June you write: “Generally Sikhs take cheap shots and ironically, whatever cheap shot they at others turns out to be a fact about Sikhs themselves... If I am not even a human, I know you people fall in some category that's way less than where I fall.... I forgot you people already admit that you are animals every time you call yourself lion... “ ............ The fact that you have done this in retaliation is no excuse to include ALL ‘in your line of fire’. ........... In this post you write: “what I have found out so far that SOME of the Sikhs are compulsive liars” – now no one has a serious issue with that as you are confining your statement to those Sikhs who in your opinion lie, and there ARE Sikhs who lie. Sikhs do not have a monopoly on Truth – agreed, but that still does not give you the right to knock the whole Nation. It does not worry me you spending your time on any site – that is your choice – provided you do not deliberately set out to hurt others’ feelings. ............. This hurts the ENTIRE Sikh sentiment. Why do you do it? You can call me a few names if it makes you happy, but do not make these unkind remarks about the Gurus and Gurbani, even if you do not agree with its message. Is that too much to ask? If you read my post, I have also appealed to my Sikh friends to be positive and stop this futile argument. Someone has to make the first move – well I am making it now, call me a few names if it pleases you and I won’t mind or react, but stop this onslaught on ALL Sikhs and their Gurus. Could you respond in the right spirit?

Arshi Ji, As a responsible

Arshi Ji,

As a responsible human and further more as a responsible Sikh, you should first address the root of abuse. It obviously doesn't start with me.

I don't need to call you names. I only react to stop the name-callings.

Everybody has right to discuss/argue things in a civilized manner which Theodorus Ji and I have been doing until some idiot like Harman starts the abuse. Once someone like this guys starts abuse, he loses all rights to be treated in a civilized manner. Nothing about such person, whether it's his religion, culture or whatever deserves any respect.

You remember the main quote where your guru compared Saakat to a son of a prostitute? Now a devout Sikh from Chandigarh called me Saakat while referring to that quote and this Sikh is in mid 50's. Now you tell me sir, does this Sikh or his guru who inspired him to use such a low-life comparison towards another human-being deserve any mercy?

Don’t malign all Sikhs

You write: "Now a devout Sikh from Chandigarh called me Saakat while referring to that quote and this Sikh is in mid 50's." ....... Fine have a go at that person but do not malign ALL the Sikhs and the Sikh Gurus was my point - this hurts ALL, even people like me who has done you no harm. I would not hurt a fly - like you I am a pure vegetarian and you have hurt my feelings as well, I haven't done anything to deserve it. Don't you have any responsibility towards good Sikhs?

Well sir, you should look at

Well sir, you should look at yourself and analyze yourself to see if you really belong in this religion. When a guru inspires his Sikhs to use such low-life analogy, I don't think the guru deserves any respect sir and you are bothered when I say the same thing in return about the guru who inspired or even caused his Sikh to say something so low.

Instead of getting hurt, you should look at the situation first. No guru had no right at all to say something so bad. Didn't the guru realize that his Sikhs could use such low analogy towards other people or did he purposely write this so that his Sikhs can use such a low analogy towards other people?

Should you not apologise?

First of all I do not accept that Guru Ji should be seen as inspiring his Sikhs to use low-life analogy. Such criticism of the Sikh Gurus is unacceptable and is the root cause of your problem with the Sikhs. Nothing infuriates Sikhs more than unjust criticism of a Spiritual Guide whose Word is taken as the Word of God. Whether or not you agree with it is of no consequence to Sikhs. I know you have been obsessed with one particular verse from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and you always use that as an argument to divert the conversation. You would not insult the entire Christian population, for example, if you do not like a verse in the Bible. I am not going to enter into a new debate as many have tried before without conclusion. All I asked for was for you to reflect on the hurt you are causing innocent Sikhs who have done you no harm and you have not so far had the courtesy to apologise - the fury of Sikhs you are having the argument with is therefore understandable. I hope Sikhnet administrators are following this dialogue and they can draw their own conclusions, unless it is in their interest to encourage controversy for rating purposes. I repeat my earlier question: "Don't you have any responsibility towards good Sikhs?" Should you not apologise to them for the abuse you have inflicted on them?

No I don't owe anybody an

No I don't owe anybody an apology, nor will I ever apologize.

This is serious stuff sir. If anybody should apologize, it should be your guru who wrote it in the first place...

Had your guru never written it, no Sikh would be able to use it against other people either...

Yes I have responsibility toward good people and Sikhs should take responsibility as well. If Sikhs are serious, they should take another look at what was said and see what kind of effect it has on non-Sikhs and how Sikhs are using this quotes toward people Sikhs think fit in this category.

I am pretty sure you have heard the expression - What you see is what you get. You can not assume what your gurus' intention was and this is also true that a true guru would never have bad intention but at the same time, a true guru would be perfect enough not to write something that could be taken out of context, by his own followers or others....

Going in circles PCJ

I think we are going in circles. If you do not have the humility to admit when you are wrong, i.e. treading on the susceptibilities of people who have never done you any wrong, by referring to their Gurus in derogatory terms and calling them all sorts of names, then I do not see the point of continuing this conversation. Your last post indicates that you do not intend to reconcile. I know in the past many have appealed to your good sense, and agree with the post saying that many referred to you as veer ji , PCJ ji, etc to make you see reason but to no avail. Therefore, I can understand the frustration of the Sikhs you are at loggerheads with and their remorse and anger is quite justified at your comments. I will let Sikhnet administrators decide what to do. I personally do not wish to continue this dialogue with you any longer as it will not achieve anything. May your God go with you.

arshi ji, Let me ask you

arshi ji,

Let me ask you this: when a Sikh does something good, don't all of the Sikhs take credit for it? Now when a Sikh does something bad/wrong, how come not all of the Sikhs should get blamed for it?

Not only that a Sikh has done something wrong by calling me a Saakat, he has done so by referring to a quote from your guru. Therefore, both, the Sikh and the guru, are responsible for this. Like I said before, if it were up to me, if I were the ruler, I would have tough punishment for such behavior. There would be no forgiveness for such person and/or his guru. Therefore, I would not accept apology from such a low-life human and/or his guru.

Don't tell me your guru didn't mean it this way. The first lesson taught in writing class is that you should write keeping in mind that someone who knows nothing about you is capable of understanding it properly. A good writer is the one who writes so well that anyone knows what he is talking about. Obviously, I am not a good writer. A guru should have specially been responsible to make sure that he wrote so well that nobody, not even his Sikh, uses it as an insult...

Flawed logic

Your logic is flawed. We only take credit for an exceptional achievement or accomplishment of an individual, be it a Sikh, an Indian or a member of a community. For example, were a Sikh to become the first coloured PM in UK or Canada, this would be a matter of great pride not only for Sikhs but also Indians. However, where there are differences between individuals, then these are personal, even if they are theological ones. If someone called you a sakat then this must be in response to something you may have said. We are not trying to prove or establish who is right or wrong, but only to stress that this is a personal dispute between two individuals and must not be blown into a national issue. It is that simple.

arshi ji, Still, it was your

arshi ji,

Still, it was your guru who started it. Had your guru been careful, this name-calling would not start in the first place.

The individual called me saakat because I objected to what your guru had to say about so-called saakat, i.e. your guru compared a so-called saakat to a son of a prostitute.

Had your guru never done so in the first place, it wouldn't give his Sikhs any reason to go around and call people names...

Back in a loop

We are back to the ‘sakat' issue and back in a loop - unfortunately every debate ends on this issue in your case. Therefore, we cannot progress. I know you have had long debates on the sakat issue with many and I don't think there is a chance I will succeed where others have failed to convince you. Even if I try I will only offend you and then you will take this out on other Sikhs. It will be a clear waste of time. One can win an argument but cannot dislodge 'hatth' the sixth negative trait after the 'five thieves' (i.e. kaam krodh etc). 'Hatth' is like a stubborn rock which cannot be moved even with Herculean power. 'Hatth' is an inbuilt characteristic (streak) which is impossible to overcome without the intervention of a Divine Power, and I do not possess either the Herculean strength or the Divine Power. Therefore, I will leave you in peace to reflect and ponder.

First of all sir, let me ask

First of all sir, let me ask you this: Do you know about hatth from personal experience or are you simply depending on the explanation provided by someone else? Is this the same hatth that means determination in Punjabi?

Since you claim that you are not a Divine Power, it clearly shows that you have not had personal experience with removing hatth. Then how can you honestly say that it takes a divine power to remove hatth? In addition, you don't even know if Hatth is bad because it means determination and you don't even know that what I am speaking about is coming from your version of Hatth...

If you don't even know all these, i.e. what exactly Hatth means or hatth is necessarily bad, I am speaking from Hatth and it takes a divine power to remove hatth, then why are you making such a statement about Hatth?

As far as my concern goes sir, it's not about what "Saakat" is. Saakat is simply a metaphoric term. What I am talking about is responsibility of your gurus towards society. Your gurus should have never given their Sikhs any reason at all to call people names as no responsible person would have ever done so.

Hatth (Obstinacy)

I know Bani does not hold much meaning for you (by your own admission) but only to clarify my earlier point I quote Guru Gobind Singh Ji from "Shabad Hazare" where he mentions the negative human trait, ‘obstinacy’ (hatth), which one must come to terms with. .......... Kaam, krodh, hunkaar, lobh, hatth, moh na man seo liavae. ............ Harbour neither lust in the mind nor wrath, ego, greed, obstinacy or attachment. ......... Stubbornness is a common human weakness, and very often we opt for worldly comforts even against our own better judgment. Hatth (obstinacy) often stands in the way of tackling the other negative traits. ........... Slandering each other is fine, to a degree, but slandering the Gurus is a very serious matter and normally ends in regrettable circumstances, as you are well aware of. It is a great comfort that internet offers anonymity, otherwise events like those in Vienna and Punjab can be easily repeated. We must avoid these at all costs.

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