Sikh Federation (UK) Speaks Out on the Vienna Incident and Attacks against Sikhs in Punjab

May 29th, 2009
Dera Sachkhand torched and damaged thousands of crores worth of Public Property.

UK: We are deeply saddened and shocked over the recent incident that took place in Vienna, Austria and the subsequent rioting in Punjab. Our thoughts and prayers are with the Sikh families and friends of those affected by this incident. Any loss of life is regrettable whether in Vienna or Punjab.

All concerned need to ensure that incidents, like the one in Vienna and the violent reaction against Sikhs in Punjab that followed are not allowed to occur again. This will only happen if we take a hard look at the facts that have still to emerge about why the situation arose in Vienna in the first place and what was done by the authorities in Punjab to maintain calm and prevent attacks against Sikhs.

The incident in Vienna and reaction in Punjab have brought back many memories. Firstly the memory of 13 April 1978
when thirteen innocent Sikhs were killed for peacefully demonstrating against a fake Nirankari baba for showing disrespect towards the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Secondly, the memory of the events from 25 years ago; when innocent Sikhs were deliberately targeted and killed.

Many hearing about the incident in Vienna or unsubstantiated rumours have immediately jumped on the popular bandwagon to condemn the attack that took place on Sunday without establishing the full facts. This includes the possibility that three local Amritdhari Sikhs, simply wearing their Kirpans, may have been shot dead by Indian security agents providing armed protection to the two so-called self-proclaimed gurus visiting Austria. A fourth local Sikh is believed to be in a serious condition in hospital with bullet wounds to the head.

Rumours abound as to why the incident took place in Vienna, including local tensions that existed. For example, there is talk of an incident a week earlier when a local Sikh man was supposedly attacked by thugs at the same location in Vienna for peacefully complaining about disrespect towards the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The local Sikh man is believed to have been left with life threatening injuries and subsequently died in hospital of the wounds inflicted.

The media has largely been silent on the killing of Sikhs in Vienna by Indian security agents with the use of illegal firearms. Ironically the only statement in the media on the killing of three Sikhs has come from the Indian police itself. The media has also failed to report on whether a serious incident took place a week earlier that may have relegated the incident in Vienna to a local dispute that got totally out of hand by the over reaction of Indian security agents.

There are however a number of hard truths that many of those making statements to the media have avoided to mention. It is well-known that the two so-called self-proclaimed gurus visiting Austria described by one Austrian politician as ‘problem gurus’ that should not have been allowed to enter the country to preach hate, were partaking in activities disrespectful of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. One possibility is these ‘problem gurus’ sealed their own fate through their offensive actions and continued disrespect towards the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The likes of the SGPC and those that promote and protect these ‘problem gurus’ must shoulder the blame for what has happen due to their inaction.

There has been extensive misreporting about the Sikh faith by the media following the incident in Vienna. The repeated mistake made by the media is the failure to recognise Sikhs do not have a living human Guru. Instead the Sikhs eternal Guru is the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which includes the teachings of Bhagat Ravi Dass and this has been the case for over 300 years.

The tenth and last human Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Ji was unequivocal when he stated: “Sab Sikhan ko hokam hai Guru Manyo Granth” meaning “All Sikhs are commanded to take the Granth as Guru”. Sikhs throughout the world last year celebrated the 300th anniversary of the ending of the concept of the human Guru and the gurudom passing to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Nonetheless these ‘problem gurus’ have been encoraged to continue to stir up matters and have been provided armed Indian government protection while in India and abroad.

The media also continue to provoke the situation by portraying the Vienna incident as an issue linked to caste. However, by definition a Sikh is one who believes in one God, the teachings of the ten Sikh Gurus and their utterances contained in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji; and believes it is necessary to take Amrit by Khanda-ki-Pahul bequeathed by the tenth Guru.

Those that understand the Sikh faith know those who take Amrit and become part of the Khalsa are deemed to be equal and the Sikh Gurus finished the caste system, which continues to be linked to the Hindu faith and way of life.

Source: Jaspal Singh, National Press Secretary

Comments

Rip the verses out??

What are you on about" they can take the verses out and have their own book", if we take the verses of Bhagat Ravidass out then it should be out of the whole of the Granth Sahib perm. Is this good, can you complete the Guru Grantshaib without the 40 sholak of Guru Ravidass, will this not leave Guru Granth Sahib Ji adoora?, incomplete? It works both ways when stupid suggestions are made like yours!

simplyone

Why don't you make your own Pothi with bani of Bhagat Ravidass ji, leaving aside SGGJ as it is. We respect SGGJ as whole along with all guru and all bhagat sitting together with Guru Saheban. Bhagat ji bani is being ricited with ful respect in every gurudwara with out any discrimination. It is people like you who think them self proprioter of Bhagat Ravidass ji. No body talk the removing of Bani from SGGJ but to prepare own pothi. Leave SGGJ if you can not respect. Why are you intended to provoke sentiments of others by going against sikh maryada such as Vayatipuja and placing picture of political person in gurudwara. Thanks

Reply to simplyone- This

Reply to simplyone- This article by the Sikh Federation (UK) is not against Bhagat Ravidass Ji. The Ravidassi sect or religion (whichever you prefer) do not have a sole claim on the words of Bhagat Ravidass ji. Bhagat Ravidass Ji went beyond the social constraints and castes of the time. He almost certainly had students from all different castes. Lets not make Bhagat Ravidass into a issue of division. It is not something he would have wanted, I believe. If some people in the Ravidassi sect or religion, treat and handle the Guru Granth Sahib Ji with disrespect, would that have been something Bhagat Ravidass Ji would have wanted? The only way we can know is by reading the words of Bhagat Ravidass Ji. I do not want to be disrespectful but to a outsider it may seem many people join the Ravidass religion or sect (whichever you prefer) because they are of the same caste of Bhagat Ravidass Ji. Bhagat Ravidass Ji went beyond caste. There are some Sikhs that do not represent the Guru. But equally there are some Ravidassi's that do not represent Bhagat Ravidass Ji. Any person (even if you call him/her a Sant or Guru), or organization (even if we call it a religious organization) that works according to division along caste or racial lines and disrespects what other people hold dear, does not represent any genuine spiritual teacher; be it Bhagat Ravidass Ji, Buddha, or Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Dhan Dhan Ravidass Ji. We are one, lets live in peace and mutual respect.

Seperate the Bani

You still have not answered the questions, if Guru Ravidass's Bani is stripped out then will the Granth Sahib be complete, these words are not just for Ravidassia people, I agree, however the Granth Sahib is not just for other Sects, it is owned by all. I alot has been said about disrespect, I have still to receive evidence of disrespect where the punishment is murder, simply cold bloodied murder witnessed in front of the Holy Book. How can this be right? Now, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji has been removed from the Dera, the sant do not want hatred for any reason. If it means it will stop by removing the 11th Guru, this has been done. I wonder that the fanactics will do next, will they murder more people? I am a very disappointed Sikh, hell I don't even know if I belong anymore. Upset, bitter and concerned.

One thing for sure, all of

One thing for sure, all of these people have direct connection with Waheguru. They must have because they are Sikhs. Those who killed the head of the group are directly going to meet Waheguru after death and those who committed violence afterwards are also going to meet the Waheguru after death as well...

Then they all will be fighting next to Waheguru....

I am pretty sure people know I am being sarcastic and astonished how confused religious people have become...

wat d hell is this...

sat sri akaal... i dont know wat is wrong with d people.... sayin "guru g ours". whether they r dera followers or sikhs. i know one thing being a sikh we should respect guru grnth sahib g. bt this thing doesnt mean that i 'l say u dont hav d right to admired the only living guru. i would say only one thng to all d vistors of dis site.. we r humans...and this is above al d "DHARAMS". and one more thing the teaching of guru granth sahib teachs us to live wid love.... nd baki gur g wil decide who is wrong and who in right.

Dera

Now Badal has started new thing to start Path at Haminder Sahib First for good health of Prime Minister Now for Fake Sant Niranjan Dass. Why ? jsut for vote Badal has started to honour the person who has disrespected Guru Granthji, Amritdhari and other Sikh ( by way of looting their property by roiters) and Gurbani. If tommarrow Nurmahlia Ashotosh will die Badal will do it for him and also for Kura Sauda. But Badal will never pay respect to any Sikh Shaheed. Jaago Sikho Jaagoo !

I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????????????

IF THIS DERA IS HAVING ITS GURU AND SANT RAVIDASS IS THEIR MENTOR. WHY THEY WANT GURU GRANTH SAHIB. WE SIKHS MUST TAKE THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY. CANT WE ASK FOR A LAW TO BE PASSED. SO THAT ANY NON-SIKH IS NOT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP GURU GRANTH SAHIB. THEY (RAVIDASSIS) HAVE THEIR GURU WHO IS GUIDING THEM. THEY SHOULD EXTRACT VERSES OF THEIR MENTOR, AND BE HAPPY. GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS OUR GURU. ALL NON-SIKHS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP GURU GRANTH SAHIB IN INDIA AND ELSEWHERE. WE MUST SHUN ALL THE RELATIONS WITH RAVIDASSIS. WHEN LEADERS WILL STOP LICKING CHAPPALS AND BOOTS OF FAKE GURUDOM. "GURU NE TA CHAAR PUTT VAARE PANTH VAASTE, BADAL VAARDA PAYA E PANTH EK PUTT VAASTE"

Austria Incident

I do think it is media as well as Indian Government badmouthing sikh religion. There must be underlying cause which provoke them to do this act. i do not think that these young sikhs went to Ravi Das temple just for the sake of killing them. It is not a sikh way. We want to know the underlying cause. There is no Human guru in sikh religion. Only Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji true Guru. All sikhs should follow only teachings of SGGS Ji. All human fake Sants/gurus/ should surrender to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or learn lesson from this incident that this may be their fate. Pooja Kaur

Hasty judgments are unjust

Pooja ji there is a lot of substance in what you wrote. The article mentions “Many hearing about the incident in Vienna or unsubstantiated rumours have immediately jumped on the popular bandwagon to condemn the attack that took place on Sunday without establishing the full facts.” I TOTALLY AGREE with the statement – I posted comments to this effect on 26 May and I quote ……….” Guruka ji: We must wait for the facts before drawing any conclusions. In the latter part of your post you write “THE SO CALLED SIKH MISCREANTS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE”……… DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE THE PERPETRATORS WERE SIKHS? I believe the matter is still under investigation and such assumptions are misplaced. IF THEY WERE SIKHS - DO WE KNOW WHETHER THERE IS A BACKGROUND TO THE INCIDENT? If the attackers were so well armed why did they sustain so many injuries? Does this suggest that some members of the otherwise peaceful congregation may have been armed? Guruka ji there are too many uncertainties before we can draw any conclusions.” ………This article also says “The rumours abound as to why the incident took place in Vienna, including LOCAL TENSIONS THAT EXISTED. For example, there is talk of an incident a week earlier when a local Sikh man was supposedly attacked by thugs at the same location in Vienna for peacefully complaining about disrespect towards the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The LOCAL SIKH MAN IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH LIFE THREATENING INJURIES AND SUBSEQUENTLY DIED In hospital of the wounds inflicted.” IS THIS NOT PROVOCATION? Again it vindicates what I wrote on 26 May in response to another post (see ”Judgment without facts” under the report “Sikhs and Dera SachKhand - Vienna and Jalandhar”)……… My brief comments were: ”however, in this case WE MUST NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BEFORE THE DISCLOSURE OF FACTS and circumstances leading to the incident. Let us wait for the facts before passing judgment.”……..Please note I am not stressing all this to gloat “see I told you” but to EMPHASISE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE TEND TO PRE-JUDGE SIKHS TOO QUICKLY; WE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS TOO SOON. The Sikhs concerned may be guilty but what right do we have to indict them before the FULL facts are known – if they ever will be, knowing past injustices inflicted on Sikhs? Let true justice prevail !! Arshi

Are we protecting Guru or He is protecting us?

I heard these people were defending Guru Beadbi(respect). These so called sikhs were staying illegally and told lies to get political asylum. I do not how much sikh maryada they were following. What a bunch of Hypocrites proud of their upper class egoism.

Akal takhat issues Hukamnama against people who dye their beards or sit in langar on chairs. what about Hukamnama against these type of people. On other hand thay are encouraging this type of phenomena as I read couple of days back that SGPS has made a task force of youths that will take care of any Guru's disrespect with force.

Are we following Guru's footsteps? On one hand we are told our Gurus are supreme and powerful and on other hand we think people can disrespect our Guru. I think Guru is not confined to size or object. It is beyond and more than we can imagine. Did 6th Guru took revenge and ordered killings after Guru Arjun Dev Ji were tortured.

Sikhs have to come out and oppose this Guru Bachao (save our Guru) movement. Now we save our Guru because he is so helpless and we are so powerful. If we keep encouraging this phenomena there is no difference between us and Talibans. We cannot blame the recent survey done in Canada where Canadians hated sikhs as much they hated muslims. This is wake up call. Do not blame other people when they hate us.

Bhul chuck Maaf

See the brotherhood of all mankind as the highest order of Yogis; conquer your own mind, and conquer the world.

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