Oregon teachers may get OK to wear religious clothing in class

November 25th, 2009 by Betsy Hammond Source: www.oregonlive.com

Teachers are likely to win the right to wear religious clothing such as turbans, yarmulkes, crosses and headscarves in public schools when the Oregon Legislature meets in February, elected officials say.

Oregon's prohibition on allowing teachers to exercise their faith by covering their heads or wearing other religious garb dates to a shameful anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant period in state history and is overdue to be changed, House Speaker Dave Hunt, D-Gladstone, said Monday.

Hunt plans to introduce a bill to repeal the 1923 law and said he is optimistic it will pass, given the broad spectrum of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs who support the change.

Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian and state schools Superintendent Susan Castillo sent every lawmaker a letter last week urging them to end the ban on religious dress for teachers.

The 86-year-old law has not been tested in court since the Eugene School District won a 1986 Oregon Supreme Court case that upheld its firing of a Sikh teacher for wearing a turban, or dastaar, as her faith requires.

Few Oregonians were aware the state had such a ban -- one of only three in the nation -- until the Legislature passed a law earlier this year allowing all workers except teachers to wear religious dress at work in most instances.

The 1923 law on teacher dress was passed when Kaspar K. Kubli, an open supporter of the Ku Klux Klan, presided as speaker of the Oregon House. It was included in the Alien Property Act of 1923, which prohibited Japanese Americans from owning property in Oregon, and was designed to prevent nuns and priests from wearing their habits or vestments in classrooms.

Hunt said the old law has a modern-day impact. Some Muslim and Sikh Oregonians have been told in recent years that they can't apply for teaching jobs or can teach only if they remove their head coverings, he said.

Hunt said he will push to "allow teachers to have the same religious free exercise rights as every other Oregonian."

The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, which has long supported the ban on teachers' wearing of religious clothing, said the Legislature should not end it without enacting additional protections for Oregon students.

"We are urging the Legislature not to rush," said David Fidanque, executive director of the state ACLU. "Just repealing the statute could cause real problems in maintaining the religious neutrality of schools in Oregon."

The Oregon Education Association has not taken a position on the issue, communications director Becca Uherbelau said. "Generally speaking, we support the religious freedom of our members."

During an off-year special session, fewer bills are considered in the Legislature than during a regular biennial session. Even so, Hunt said it is a priority to end Oregon's ban, particularly because teachers in some school districts are allowed to wear yarmulkes or crosses, while in other areas, they are forbidden. He has found no examples of a public school teacher being permitted to wear a Sikh turban or a Muslim headscarf, he said.

"Any time you are dealing with a balance between free exercise of religion and the anti-establishment clause, the question should be, is the teacher using that clothing to proselytize children? Clearly that should never be allowed," Hunt said. "But is a teacher allowed to teach and comply with the tenets of their faith, whether that is taking holy days off as vacation days or wearing the dress that their faith requires? That should clearly be allowed in Oregon today."

Fidanque said the ACLU fields many complaints that public schools and teachers do too much to promote Christianity, particularly in rural Oregon. Families of students who belong to minority religions or are nonbelievers are afraid to speak up, he said. Lifting the ban on religious dress could lead some Christian teachers to wear Jesus T-shirts or take other steps to evangelize at school, Fidanque said.

"This is not a statute that impacts only minority religions. It affects all school employees," he said. "There are people of faith who feel as a matter of their faith that they must advance their religious views. ... We want to have a broader discussion with the Legislature about the importance of maintaining the schools as a place of religious neutrality. All students and their families should feel welcome, and that's as important, if not more important, than teachers' freedom of religious expression."

Comments

In God WE Trust, Polytheists are Godless & Lusty people

Turbans, Yarmulkes, Crosses and Headscarves in public schools will be finally accepted , because these religions have ONE thing is common, they all SURRENDER and SERVE the ONE supreme Lord who is called by different names, for the SIKHS its Va-Vasudeva..Ha-Hari Go-Gobind Ra- Ram (Wahaguru) for the Hacedic JEWS its Yarway associated with the head covering the Yarmulke... for the CHRISTIANS it's the Christ, and the Cross , the Roman Catholics cover their heads, and the women in Islam, Sikhism , and Vaishnavaism all cover their heads and wear religious symbols. May God Bless America. India is a democracy, some of its political leaders associated with the RSS and the modern Shivitee followers of Shankararcharya, talks from both sides of their mouths, they have denied Personality and as a result massacred innocent Sikhs, Muslims, and Christians , they are Godless they have no one to surrender or answer too. WE are NOT this body we are ATMA, all children of the ONE father, America is moving in the right direction and all Monotheistic faiths should embrace it. Always remember POLYTHEISM destroyed God consciousness in other civilizations and it's currently destroying India making it a materialistic country. They have replaced Ram and Krishna with the demigod Ganesh, the works of fallen Hindu brahmins. Ganesh and Amita Bachan are glorified more than Sri Krishna, Sri Rama, Wahaguru, Allah and Christ. thanks to Bollywood.

I must correct you K.J. Singh Ji

Chasidic Jews or any other Jews do not refer to God as Yarway or Yahwah. This is the Hebrew word for Jesus not God. The Jewish people follow the old testament or Torah only. And since Jesus is not mentioned until the new testament, Judaism does not even acknowledged him. Instead, Jews refer to God as HaShem; meaning, The Name(of God) much like saying Sat Nam. Many Jews greet each other with " baruch HaShem"which mean blessed is God.

About Sri Krishna

I thought Krishan Mahraj ji was just an avatar of God and not God like it may say in the Dasam Granth that he was destroyed along with other demigods by kaal?If both Sri Rama and Sri Krishna are both God and if the Hindus worship both then there will be two Gods,eh?I'm not trying to implying anything or being polytheistic but I'm just curios.It would help if someone could reply. Thanks, Joker

God's personalities have many names yet he is one

The names of God usually reflect an aspect of God. The Guru has a similar pattern as God is described in the various texts. These aspects of God were usually descriptive terms before becoming a divine title of God. It is very difficult to limit the description of God. One can experience God in so many ways, the names are a way of defining the experience, as we try to associate and enjoy God with others.

Most people don't see polytheism in reality. They understand the concept of the Supreme God. They just see the demigod as helpers of God similar to the angels in the Judeo Christian Mohammedan religions. Separation from God occurs on this planet and is highlighted by many religious texts. Separation within creation, between various societies is somewhat identified however not clearly defined. We should understand that demonic personalities will try to separate society after society especially those societies that are engaged in the service Of God. Therefore labels should be discarded for factual truths. For somebody to be polytheistic they would have to deny the most high God. Many Hindus as well as others recognize the Supreme Lord and his absolute divinity and personality no matter what their walk of faith says. In reality Hinduism began as many different faiths coming under the banner of one religion. Therefore polytheism would be governed by an individual's denial of the most high God and acceptance of a variety of gods that does not include devotion to the Supreme Lord. This would require either a one on one conversation or some other form of specific firsthand knowledge of an individuals statement of faith. We need to key in on our likeness and then our differences will slip away.

As for how India might be having troubles, open the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and read away. It is an individuals lack of a relationship with the Supreme Lord not some broad label that defines any culpability there. It is like someone saying that a tough life is a sign of some sort of sin. Purity and holiness is a state of mind in transcendence with the Lord not some status of material success. Guru Gobind Singh lived what many would call a life of sorrow and hardship that I morn for, even today. However, like his wife I must move on and realize the Glory of his and his loved ones sacrifices. His purity and holiness was not reflected by the condition of his life. His purity and holiness was reflected by the condition of his saintly mind and actions.

เฉด เจธเจฟเจค เจจเจพเจฎเฉ เจ•เจฐเจคเจพ เจชเฉเจฐเจ–เฉ เจฟเจจเจฐเจญเจ‰ เจฟเจจเจฐเจตเฉˆเจฐ เฉ เจ…เจ•เจพเจฒ เจฎเฉ‚เจฐเจฟเจค เจ…เจœเฉ‚เจจเฉ€ เจธเฉˆเจญเฉฐ เจ—เฉเจฐ เจชเจฐเฉเจธเจพเจฟเจฆ เฅฅ
ik-oNkaar sat naam kartaa purakh nirbha-o nirvair akaal moorat ajoonee saibhaN gur
parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear.
No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~

เฅฅ เจœเจชเฉ เฅฅ
jap.
Chant And Meditate:

เจ†เจฟเจฆ เจธเจš เฉ เจœเฉเจ—เจพเจฟเจฆ เจธเจš เฉ เฅฅ
aad sach jugaad sach.
True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

เจนเฉˆ เจญเฉ€ เจธเจš เฉ เจจเจพเจจเจ• เจนเฉ‹เจธเฉ€ เจญเฉ€ เจธเจš เฉ เฅฅเฉงเฅฅ
hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach.
True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True.

เจธเฉ‹เจšเฉˆ เจธเฉ‹เจฟเจš เจจ เจนเฉ‹เจตเจˆ เจœเฉ‡ เจธเฉ‹เจšเฉ€ เจฒเจ– เจตเจพเจฐ เฅฅ
sochai soch na hova-ee jay sochee lakh vaar.
By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of
thousands of times.

There is reference to Krishen Ji the Blue Cowherd Boy in SGGS Ji

Incarnate means to come when ever you want, Re-incarnate means that we are forced to take re-birth. God or Paramatma incarnates but atma re-incarnates in different bodies, trees, animals, humans, etc... There are four ages in the Vedic calender... Satya Yuj...Treta Yug....Dwapar Yuj and Kali Yuj. we are into the age of Kal Yuj, Kal means dark, this is the age of darkness, it lasts 432.000 years of which 5,000 is already gone, Dwapar Yuj 864,000. Treta Yuj...1,296,000 Satya Yug 1, 728,000. These ages repeat it self , its Sanatan or eternal. Sri Ram Ji incarnated in the Treta Yuj, about 2 million years ago, he incarnated as Sri Krishna in Dwapar Yuj about 5,000 years ago at the end od Dwapar and the beginning of Kal Yuj, and Guru Nanak Dev Ji came in the Kal Yuj, Vaishnavas accept Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as the incarnation of God , Hindus who accepted Islam saw Prophet Mohammed as the avatar for the Kali Yuj. 1300 years ago. To understand all of this is to understand the Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 Text 7 which is a Vaishnava Literature. Sri Krishna told Maharaj Arjuna who was a Vaishnava : Yadaa Yadaa Hi Dharmasya glanir bhavati bhaarata, abhyutthaanam adharmasya tadaat maa nam srijaamy aham. in english it means "When ever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O decendant of Bharata, and a predominate rise of irreligion-at that time I decend Myself." Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj sang of Sri Krishna Aisee Bajaa Basuri,, Krishen Ji early childhood was spend in the groves of Brindaban with the gopies. He stayed for about 124 years on the earth before disappearing, he was about 80-90 years when the battle of Kurekshetra took place, over 640 people were killed. He wore pagree and had dharee, and never aged beyond approximately age 24.

So mukh jalao jit kahe THAKUR joni...

Nice explanation by K.J SINGH ji above, about incarnation and re-incarnation. But as sikhs of Guru Nanak and worshippers of AKAAL we don't believe that AKAAL incarnates...even in terms which K.J.SINGH ji used. In Gurbani there is direct refence to JANAMASHTMI by Guru Arjan Dev Maharaj.... "bharam bhule nar karat kachrain, janam maran te rehat narayan"... means they are in doubt who think that God was born on janamashtmi..he goes to the extent that.."may that mouth burn which says that God incarnates".. This fact is well known in sikh quarters that we use same names as synonyms of akaal which hindus use for devi's devtaas, avataar...etc eg..RAM,BRAHM, KRISHAN,MURARI,GOVIND,GOPAL....but everywhere they refer only to one God. Problem is that mythology and devi devas are etched in our mind due to our hindic bacground, they should be seen as symbolism, beautiful symbolism but not as real entities, who exist , have families, fight of trivial issues, curse, want to be fed(by brahamans..lol)... People sing of avtaar leela, but our bhai Gurdas ji refutes all this in a very ironic vaar... he narrates what vishnu ji did, he refers krishan jis leela, parshuram ji's leela and concludes "KAAM KRODH NA SADHEYO, SADH SANGAT SEHLANG NA SAARE, HAUMAE ANDAR KAAR VIKARAE".."these figures/avataars didn't restrict their anger/passions and didn't come to sangat to sing of AKAAL's praises, but did all those deeds in haumae....(may be offensive..but he didn't care...he is the one who says "chadd singhasan harji aaye"...) But there are references in Gurbani to these avataars where the are treated as AKAAL... he we have to understand... Gurbani was audience specific...guruji went to arabia...he discoursed in persian..there is one persian shabad in gurbani... hindu audiences understand only in terms of avataars and bhagwaan so it was the only option possible.....but why do we care about these avataars...we don't tell sakhis about sikhs/Gurmukhs but narrate sakhis about these avataars only. Bhai Gurdas says a gurmukh is above all devis and devas...and for sikhs GURU is above all... GURU is SHABAD.. GURU is VANJARA of RAAM/AKAAL..."tera naam vakhar vapaar ji".. GUR JAISA NAHI KO DEV, JIS MASTAK BHAG SO LAGA SEV.........Gurbani syas believe in non incarnate one only... entertain no confusion/duvidha..AKAAL only knows what he does, what he has to.............. In short Gurbani and Bhai Gurdas directly say that Shri Raam(dashrath sut), Shri Krishan(nand lal)..were kings..were GURMUKHS..(seeing God within them..).. but not AKAAL...may be considered AKAAL roopas baba nanak...(sri dasam bani/bachitra natak granth also considers them to be kings who made people worship them instead of AKAAL).....we use same voacbulary as HINDUS/MUSLIMS but have different meanings/symbolism associated with it......(we are simply not keshadhari hindus/sufi muslims/buddhists) Some are even confused by the fact that WAHEGURU is Shri Krishan..in bhattan de swaiyye... "Waheguru waheguru waheguru wahe jio"....there is direct refence to Shri Krishan only..."kehat maa jasodh ji se, dahi paat khaiye jio".... so take it as symbolism only...otherwise their murtis and photos will intrude our gurudwaras and duvidha of people will not go..... Guru's really wanted to separate us from worshipping devis/devas and avataars...and wanted us to find God within..."ghar hi parcha payiye"..... and they gave only one method..."MANN ARPEYO,HAUMAE TAJO, EK PANTH JULAIYA"....give your mann to GURU, obey him like a slave, lose your ego, belive in AKAAL only..."...no other thing so sikh panth has nothing to do with Ramayan, Bhagwad Gita(..we don't believe yada yad hi dharmassae....we believe in SO JAANE KARTAAR.....Gita says there is no mukti outside varna dharam too), Amar katha etc....... we treat them as history(india considers it history..west calls it mythology)........... as our Guru says ...TATT VICHARO..so we take only what we learn from it andd love to diiscuss our Guru more than anyone else..... "HAU GUR SALAHE NA RAJAO<,MAIN MELE HAR PRABH PAAS"... means i am not satisfied praising my guru once...i can sing songs on him...fill pages in ink in his praise...he helps me see AKAAL within myself ...let me be his slave...let me fetch water for him..........this is a Gurmukh...... bhul chuk maaf.........

Sikhism does Not Deny Personality Sarguna is there in SGGS Ji.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji clearly says its all in the Puranas but the Pundits do not know, he was directly referring to the Impersonalist philosophy of Adi Shankar Archarya, who accepted and also denied that God is a PERSON, Our Gurus knew that God is a person and were extremely versed in the Vedic literatures, Sri Krishen Ji says in the "Personalist Vaishnava Version Of The Bhagavad Gita" Chapter 4 Text 9 " janma karma ca me divyam evam yo vetti tattvatah tyaktva deham punar janma naiti maam eti so arjuna." in english it means "One who knows the TRANSCENDENTAL nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode (Satchkhand) , O Arjuna. " The question for Sikhs is ..Was Guru Nanak Dev Ji cremated? and if so where? (He was NOT cremeated as some of these rascals would have you believe). is it not reasonable to believe that his body was Transcendental, and eternal. and that he was an incarnation of God. Hindus condem this fact. But as far as K.J. Singh is concerned based on the teachings of the Puranas and our Gurus , God is a person and Guru Nanak Dev Ji was an incarnation of God. However Our Gurus worshipped the formless aspect of Sri Wahaguru Ji, as Param Atma. which is in the heart. They never went on the Personality level as in the case of the Vaishnavas or Bhagavan realisation. No personal Diety worship. No Pujari. One of the possible reason for this was that to many people were accepting others as an incarnation of God. It is for this reason Guru Gobind Singh Ji stopped the Parampara at the 10th Guru. In order to fully understand we must study other schools of taught and creation as taught in the Srimad Bhagavatam, it is a very complicated and complex subject matter. But my conclusion is that Sikhism is comming from the 5000 year old Vaishnava teachings (Sanatan Dharma), its modified Vaishnavism... and NOT polluted Hindu Karmi teachings of Adi Shankararcharya. Hinduism is the most polluted religion on the planet. so called Hinduism destroyed pure Vaishnavaism and is trying to destroy Sikhism. The RSS and Gopio politicians all identifies with the Indian body and not the atma, this is all MAYA. and its dangerous. We must NEVER identify with Indian body but with the individual spirit soul or atma.

Sargun Swaroop Sikh Hain Mor...

"Sargun Nirgun Nirankaar"... we sikhs have derived vocabulary from ancient Indian schools of thought. Srimad Bhagwatam advocates a personal god..."sargun swaroop"..and focussing attention on it for annhilation of I'ness. It is a beautiful piece of literature but really speaking the schools of thought as expressed in the Gita, mimansa, vedant, yoga etc are from the viewpoint of the author of Gita, not from the viewpoint of their actual proponent rishis. Vyaas ji gave what his view of those schools were..(all roads lead to rome...here it is Sri Krishna)..and ultimately gets the stamp of BHAGWAN on his vedantic philosophy. Guru Nanak is simple and placid in approach, he speaks truth. SAME GOD DWELLS IN ALL, SO SRI KRISHNA, GURU NANAK and even a SONU-MONU all are equal in this respect(i m not talking of karma yet), no question of incarnation here. Here is a point...in Japu ji GYAAN KHAND..."kete pavan pani vaisantar, kete kanh mahes"...so many organisms in water, in air, so many krishnas, so many maheshas.... so Sri Krishna doesn't exist now, after his death... he became "ik mik"..with the transcendental Brahm(..tad Ekam of Vedas),,,,thousands of other souls who accumulated karma and departed from earth to become "ik mik"...(jal ka jal hua raam)..are indistinguishable now.... there is no special status prior birth to any soul as per Gurbani...("nanak garib kya kare bichara")...only God's grace is acknowledged.. I mean to say their is no need to talk of incarnation(if not just symbolic or metaphorical..just to use a polished language)..... AND moreover as per Gurbani,, GOD is not a person(..an old man in the sky...dadha rabb)... some upanishads call ETERNAL REALITY, AS BRAHAMAN..IT IS THAT WHAT WE CALL AKAAL...timeless...AAD SACH,JUG AADI SACH... This reality is of the nature our CONSCIENCE is made of.....infact our conscience is made of same stuff as AKAAL, but we have an existence called HAUMAE(..luckily it has a name too like shivdeep or k.j.singh)...Gurbani says that it is haumae that is born and it is haumae that dies..(GURU NANAK in sidh gost)..the ULTIMATE REALITY(rabb) ,by his grace, has given us abstracts called feelings, we can't detect whether RABB feels the same way as we... but it is a fact that huma is limited...haumae is the bound.... Only way to shed haumae is surrender to someone(as said in Gita).... IT IS CALLED HUKAM MANANA... the fact is you obey GURU, as a bonded slave, develop love feeling for transcendental and the GURU... it will train you to cut through fetters of haumae... Here a confusion arises... who is the GURU?...NANAK, Sri KRISHAN,VYAS..(..the things which KJ Singh ji refer as incarnations)....... same question was asked to NANAk by siddhas... HE SAID GURU IS NAAD BRAHAM, THE INNER VOICE WHICH COMES TO YOU WHEN YOU ANNHILATE YOUR I'NESS.. He called it SHABAD GURU..(this term already exists in hindu/sanatan literature as shruti shabad yog..)... So according to this defintion of NANAK, how does he himself become our GURU..... he asked us to obey the GURU...and not himself(..his human body)....Gurbani has an answer here too...bhai gurdas says .."bhari kari tapasya,vadde har siyon ban aayi"...GURU NANAK did a lot of penance/meditation,by GOD's grace he lost his ego..BHAI GURDAS IN ONE OF HIS VAARS CALLS GURU NANAK A GURMUKH..(since GURU is SHABAD>>>SO NANAK is a Gurmukh...who listens too that shabad ).....and we are the luckiest ones.... WHEN AN EGOLESS PERSON LIKE NANAK SPEAKS...HIS WORDS BECOME PRICELESS,...when we listen to same words our heart too experiences similar ANAND...(SUNAI SAT SANTOKH GYAAN) . For Sikh of NANAK he is parbraham, a personal exposition similar to SARGUN. The Hindus worship all devas as SARGUN...but SARGUN is a creation of ones self...it is limited. GURBANI refers to SARGUN because the concept existed before but Nanak links his Sikhs directly too NIRGUN. SARGUN is strictly personal...some rishis have expounded a keshadhari swaroop of an old man in sky with fierce teeth sun like splendour as SARGUN swaroop...(darshan).. SRI KRISHNA suits well as GURU of ARJUN(maharaj..lolz).. SUMMARISING... GURBANI says dear refer too SARGUN as AKAAL(transcendental only), means consciously believe that NIRGUN is only reality,,, (partakh hirday guru arjan ke har pooran braham niwaas liyo....)..the trancendental reality(GOD) lives in the heart of Guru Arjan and manifests.... Since it is hard for us to imagine the unimaginable,,,so we feel easier to attach too an imaginable personality...SARGUN(metaphoricallyspeaking it is a beautiful experience.) But for Sikhs, NANAK is a SUBSTITUTE for SARGUN.... I answer it just translating what my Guru said too Bhai Nandlal when he had the same doubt.. GURU GOBIND SINGH explained to bhai nandlal that HE has three SWAROOPS... SARGUN, NIRGUN, GUR SHABAD... NIRGUN is transcendental....Conscience ovelapping all souls(excluding the veil of haumae)... GUR SHABAD is GURU GRANTH...and SARGUN SWAROOP SIKH HAIN MOR....means my sikh are manifest form of me. Thats why we have GURU PANTH, DEEDAR KHALSE DA....etc hence, NIRGUN< NIRBHAU NIRANKAAR is the only reality,,,, we hook to the GURU who as for us his HIS Vanjaara(salesman)... GURU is SARGUN for us... we don't attach any pesonality attribute to AKAAL,,,so we ask to GURU and pray to him..(..the atttributes we try to associate with AKAAL as a person are due to language structure....i.e. its purely metaphorical)..Guru and God are within us..... and we may see SARGUN in sadhsangat, sarbat khalsa...but not in a personality whom we take as a Gurmukh. Nanak holds a special place for us.. all other prophets are in NANAK"s definition ...GURMUKH, SANT JAN, SAADH..etc Lets not call them incarnations of AKAAL.. Puranas and Upanishdic literature is a mix of a lot of philosophies and traditions. Many intelligent rishis wrote nice things, but many clever ones wrote clever things. it is impossible to sift actual SANATAN DHARM from them.... NANAK's philosophy is practical form of PRACTICAL IDEALISM in indian tradition which is found scattered in texts and may have been imagined 5000 years before..but as you know SRI KRISHNA's own words aren't available.....so what we know of Krishna is what the writer(s) of Bhagwad Purana and mahabharat have written.... he represents their idealism more than what he actually was... i attribute Gita to Vyaas than to Krishan Ji. Bhagwad Puran writers have shown their " haumae bhari vikaran wali parvirti" in characterisation of Sri Krishna... The Love story with radha, gopis, jarasindh's wife... 96000(i donno how many) queens...how many sons...etc)...there is a lot of exaggeration there... Sikhs don't get bothered by miracles by SRI KRISHAN JI, Guru says HUKAM manno...all else is fine. "SABSE UPAR GUR SHABAD VICHAAR, HOR KATHNI BADAO NA SAGLI CHHAR" the contemplation of GURU's shabad is GREATEST WORK of all, i don't advocate anything else, all else will perish without benefit..

Sri Isopanishad discovers the Original Person

With reference to this statement : "some upanishads call ETERNAL REALITY, AS BRAHMAN..IT IS THAT WHAT WE CALL AKAAL...timeless...AAD SACH,JUG AADI SACH... " you left out , Hai Bhe satch Nanak Hosi bhe sach. (Sat Guru Nanak says He will certainly be true in the future. Here is what the Sri Isopanishad informs us that Impersonalism or Brahman realization has robbed our lives of dimension. Biochemists calmly informs us that out taughts feelings and our very consciousness are simply patterns of electronic impulses that flash briefly in the vast void of space and time. But something deep within us refuses to be analyzed into lifeless displays of energy. At the center of our being is a focus of consciousness that is itself evidence of a higher reality. Personality is the solid foundation and unifying principle of our existence. The Vedic philosophy of ancient India strongly proclaims the primacy of personality in every sphere of life and knowledge. And the most essential Vedic teachings on the universal nature of personality are summarized in Sri Isopanishad, the most confidential of the 108 Upanishads. The invocation Om purnam adah purnam idam purnat purnam udacyate...purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate, in english it means.. THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IS PERFECT AND COMPLETE,AND BECAUSE HE IS COMPLETELY PERFECT, ALL EMANATIONS FROM HIM, SUCH AS THIS PHENOMENAL WORLD, ARE PERFECTLY EQUIPPED AS COMPLETE WHOLE. WHATEVER IS PRODUCED OF THE COMPLETE WHOLE IS ALSO COMPLETE IN ITSELF. BECAUSE HE IS THE COMPLETE WHOLE, EVEN THOUGH SO MANY COMPLETE UNITS EMANATE FROM HIM, HE REMAINS THE COMPLETE BALANCE. Please note that the upanishads deny personality. The followers of Shankara makes references to the upanishads, but the Vaishnava Archaryas who are in Knowledge accepts the Sri Isopanisad, and I fell very strong that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was aware of this. Please read whats written on the door /wall of Sri Harmindar Sahib. its the entire Mul Mantra and its consistent with Vaishnava teachings and NOT Shiviteeism or Impersonalism

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