The Martyrdom of the Akal Takhat

May 21st, 2009 by Dr. Harjot Kaur Singh Source: www.sikhdharma.org

In the concept of Miri Piri, there is a subtle co-existence of the two bases of authority-spiritual and temporal. The Sikhs were acknowledged spiritually in India but not politically and this lack of recognition eventually resulted in the attack on the Akal Takhat. The Sikhs fought valiantly for India in the World wars and also during the partition of India and Pakistan. More than 80% of the freedom fight for India came from the Sikhs who only represented less than 2% of the Indian population. So respected were the Sikhs that the British even suggested an independent state within India, but the Sikhs were so loyal to Mother India that they rejected this in order to live in harmony within the country. India achieved independence in 1947 but sadly even in 1973 the Sikhs, in the Anandpur Resolution, were still petitioning for their political rights and identity from the Indian Government.

Through a series of events this lack of recognition eventually led to the attack on the Harimander Sahib in 1984 and the martyrdom of the Akal Thakat. Siri Singh Sahib ji called the Akal Takhat the "longitude and latitude of the nerve centre of the universe which keeps the central movement of magnetic rotation of the shield of the planet earth." When the Akal Takhat was attacked, the psyche of the Sikhs and Sikh political identity, Miri, was attacked. Those within the Harimander complex were brutally murdered and the sarovar was a sea of blood. Sikh men in Punjab were taken from their homes, doused in petrol, and burnt alive. Sikh women and girls were abused and raped. Entire families and their homes were burnt and pillaged. A blackout was placed on the state, blocking TV, radio, phone, and media communication to the outside world. The Sikhs abroad were not able to communicate with their relatives. This shook the Sikh Diaspora to its roots. The Sikhs cried in anger and outrage at the atrocities. Just imagine: if the Vatican were attacked in such a manner, the entire Christian world would be in an uproar. This eventually resulted in an awakening of the Sikh Identity in the Sikh Diaspora abroad.

We, as Sikhs, must learn the lesson from this dark chapter of history so that it will never be repeated. We must learn methods to educate the rest of the world about the Sikh Holocaust of 1984, especially since most the information was suppressed and hidden even in this modern day and age. Ultimately, we must look to the concept of Miri and Piri established by Guru Hargobind to ensure the sanctity of our religious identity and political identity.

The Siri Singh Sahib stated that the Akal Takhat gave itself in martyrdom. The Akal Takhat martyred itself to preserve the sanctity of the Harimander and so Miri sacrificed itself to protect Piri. As Sikhs, we need to understand the importance of this balance where Spiritual authority must supersede Political authority. For each individual Sikh it means to practice the Dharma to first build one's spirituality, and then one can build his/her temporal authority. When we as Sikhs are committed to our spiritual practice, then our political identity will also have strength. Only then can Sikhs truly grow on the path of Khalsa and help to bring the Guru's prophecy of Khalsa Raj to fruition.

Comments

June 6, 2009 - 8:34pm — Human

just4god

I have spitted any one I have written what in practically is being happened. You are just favouring Dera only in name of god but never bother what they are doing. You just blamed Sikhs but never go to reason for provoking . Have sikh take SGGJ to any temple ask them to worship No It is a politcal class of hindu who do it just to get reconisation of Murti puja etc. Similarly this particular Dera people who are now being run from Varanasi have started all this now in name of particular cast. If you appreciate this castism in forgine country also then god know whos teaching you are following. Still we do not have any objection but our submission is do what ever you like but without Parkash of SGGJ. There are several Dera & sect which are running without SGGJ. Rest every thing is in hand of God. Thanks
June 6, 2009 - 1:51am — Human

just4god

If you feel there no need for any relgion well then stop taking side of these so called shopkeer sant and Derawale who are causing every problem by provoking people. I never intended to spit any body but replied in summary manner. Further if you believe there is no need of any religion, well than why you critise the people with belive. Just I am listen from TV about Baba Ashok who use to thug people in name of doubling money. Baba are like these different is of only of dress. Don't blame whistel blower. Why are you deleting post of others ?
June 5, 2009 - 1:38am — only4GOD

Stop spitting Human

Human: Listen. Calm down. Losing temper is not going to get u to God. Your car is stuck in the wet mud with wheels spinning spitting out mud at everyone. u shud just turn the engine off and let things cool. Then while your waiting think. Ahh – got it! See. I told u. You Don’t need any religion, cos God is with u already. No baba creep no sant no guru , no dera rubissh, no lamps and no more monkeys or elephants to worship, no hindu, no moslim, no sikh no jesus, just God. Plain and simple God. When u get that u will be calm forever and your car will lift up out of the mud and fly away. Don’t spit at me just cos I love God. All religions keep u stuck in the mud with the religion and never move u 2 God. Please. Maybe you don’t want 2 move 2 God. Switch the engine off and think. Best
June 5, 2009 - 12:33am — Human

just4god

First of all thank u for all kind of disrespect for sikh and your love to these Dera. It seem u are not just4god but just4Dera. What reform these Dera people have done except creating another sect in name of particular cast ? How much fight they done to remove evil of castism. Just they believe in Manu waad only. I give you 2 examples. Tulsi Say" dhor,shudra,pashu nari, yeh sab taran ke adhikari' Guru Nanak Say ' Nichan andhar nich jaat nichi hu ati neech, Nanak ten ke sang saath wadian sioun kiya rees" Now go to villege during Diwali and parkash utsav of Baba Namak to any villege of Doaba you will find in Mohala of these people lightening in every house on diwali and black out during the parkash utsav. Do u know what kind of education these Dera wale are giving. They are akirtghan who have forgotten the contribution of sikhism to create equality. And U great just4god marking question mark on sikh. If they are so great OK they can get Bani of Bhagat ravidass seperately open their shop without SGGJ. Why these Dera wale prevoke Sikh by disrespecting SGGJ. Let Sikh respect SGGJ along with with all Bhagat who's bani have been included by Guru Sahibaan. Let Dera people go alone with single cast. Thanks
June 5, 2009 - 12:23am — only4GOD

I love Roti as well

Roti lover : . I like them as well. I don’t like this modern junk food but my kids keep wanting to eat chips and pizza., and keep saying the dahl or sabji is spicy even when there’s no chillies. so I end up eating wot they eat as well, or get rotis just 4 me. Modern society ills. Just like modern folks who think of themselves as Hindus or Sikhs. They want to be different from each other and then end up bashing each other. But they all belong to God, and he’s got be the main man, so why go for one of the varieties, the pizza or the burger ? Back to basics is best : simple dahl roti, and simple religion - God rules
June 4, 2009 - 6:03pm — I LOVE ROTI...

84

By the end of the day, the Sikhs dont have a home, not in india and not in pakistan....simple. if you dont believe me...then look at india's constitution!....article 25 says that sikhs are hindus, and the constitution was written in 1950. Yep a long time ago...way before 1984 even happened. so that fact that Sikhs are seen as Hindu's...which i clearly DON'T agree with in the constitution, only tells me one thing....WAKEY WAKEY!. Think about it, if the highest book of the land (constitution), told me that, to be indian, you have to be hindu as well....i would tell them to go and get lost!...and keep on dreaming,lol.
June 7, 2009 - 8:00am — nimanna

I love dal too.

Brother you are right we are hindu as there law said and even then lot of my sikh fellows don't understand this and still saying every thing is fine every thing is fine.Our so called sikh pm saying us FORGET 1984.I love roti too but if its come with dal or aamb da achar in our own homeland we are much more happy with that.What all we need is OUR OWN HOMELAND.Let's we all pray for that together.
June 6, 2009 - 8:15pm — Romesh Kumar

I LOVE ROTI..........,

I LOVE ROTI.........., Please read and explain how does it translate into the claim that sikhs are hindus. It does not define, advise or force any of the religions. It seems and sounds that because of similiarities in culture, customs and traditions ( in late 1940s ) in hindu,sikh,jain,budhist religions writers have put ( not merged ) them together. Another tendency of writers I sense is that they have put state above the religions not other way round. Article 25 {Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion} Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion. Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law - regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice; providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu reli- gious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus. [Explanation I: The wearing and carrying of kirpans shall be deemed to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion.] [Explanation II: In sub-Clause (b) of clause (2), the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the Sikh, Jaina or Buddhist religion, and the reference to Hindu religious institutions shall be construed accordingly.] [edit] Article 26 {Freedom to manage religious affairs} Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right - to establish and maintain institutions for religious and charitable purposes; to manage its own affairs in matters of religion; to own and acquire movable and immovable property; and to administer such property in accordance with law. [edit] Article 27 {Freedom as to payment of taxes for promotion of any particular religion} No person shall be compelled to pay any taxes, the proceeds of which are specifically appropriated in payment of expenses for the promotion or maintenance of any particular religion or religious denomination. [edit] Article 28 {Freedom as to attendance at religious instruction or religious worship in certain educational institutions} No religious instruction shall be provided in any educational institution wholly maintained out of State funds. Nothing in clause (1) shall apply to an educational institution which is administered by the State but has been established under any endowment or trust which requires that religious instruction shall be imparted in such institution. No person attending any educational institution recognised by the State or receiving aid out of State funds shall be required to take part in any religious instruction that may be imparted in such institution or to attend any religious worship that may be conducted in such institution or in any premises attached thereto unless such person or, if such person is minor, his guardian has given his consent thereto. [edit] Article 29 {Protection of interests of minorities} Any section of the citizens residing in the territory of India or any part thereof having a distinct language, script or culture of its own shall have the right to conserve the same. No citizen shall be denied admission into any educational institution maintained by the State or receiving aid out of State funds on grounds only of religion, race, caste, language or any of them. [edit] Article 30 {Right of minorities to establish and administer educational institutions} All minorities, whether based on religion or language, shall have the right to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice. (1A) In making any law providing for the compulsory acquisition of any property of an educational institution established and administered by a minority, referred to in clause (1), the State shall ensure that the amount fixed by or determined under such law for the acquisition of such property is such as would not restrict or abrogate the right guaranteed under that clause. The State shall not, in granting aid to educational institutions, discriminate against any educational institution on the ground that it is under the management of a minority, whether based on religion or language.
May 25, 2009 - 1:20pm — only4GOD

K J Singh ji, about your irrelevant points:

You said: "With Ref to (only4God) You people are so deceptive you have No name and are trying to dictate to us."

No-one is dictating to you; Don’t listen. Don’t read internet forums. Just do nitnem if that’s what you want. Get on with the job, but peacefully. Do it, please do. However people who think like you are killing innocents and are causing unnecessary conflict because of your extremist views and persecutory deeds
Name: You can give me whatever foul name you want. Be happy, go ahead and do it. Maybe you don’t understand ONLY FOR GOD. I mean it’s a bit complicated for some with minds switched off to the reality of life.

#1 The persecution which Guru Nanak Dev Ji rebeled against was the sinful activities of Hindu Brahmins.

Which is now the sinful activities of supposed sikhs who sing the name of God in their lingo which is unintelligible to most laypeople, and then kill others who practice how they want to, not how these supposed sikhs want them to.

#2 Sikhs have never forced upon anyone to become a Sikh or "Singh" as Hindu RSS Brahmins do.

Lie. Outright lie. These fanatics, born of just pre 1984 and the escapees from 1984, caused mayhem in Punjab pre 1984. They shot people I personally know because they did not follow the Sikhi they wanted them to follow. Thank God India’s Gov came to rescue but very unfortunately moronic politicians also got involved and started wicked riots. May God damn them all. May God damn the corrupt politicians and damn the corrupt religious freaks who exacted violence in history on innocents, in 80s and late 70s, and do it still today.

#3 The names Rama Anand and Nirangan Das are NOT "Singh" They have No respect of Guru Gobind Singh Ji

And, so what ? The name Fred Bloggs is not “Singh” or “Sikh” either. Didn’t you know ? There are loads of Singhs anyway who aren’t Sikh so don’t start to claim Singh as being only Sikh either. Why should anyone other than a Sikh give respect today to someone who has passed his guruship to another Guru – Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji anyway? With that mentality every other guy in India will still be following hukams of King Asoka. People move on and follow today’s laws, except of course for some fanatics who live in the past.

#4 These Sants were looking for Pussycats amongst the Sikh community and these are their devotes.

This just shows you are just irritated when people switch off Sikhism. This is the classic psycho make up of extremists. You are abusing people who follow another faith. Maybe they want some peace and quite, and want to get away from these fanatical jerks who run Sikhi today. Long may that irritation continue and increase. Good luck to peace loving God followers and bad luck to upset fanatics who they abandon cos of their total falsehood.

#4 These devotees have lost their respect for Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji and all of our Gurus.

Can’t even get your numbering right, let alone fix religions for people. Anyway have you ever thought other folks maybe want to consider Sikh gurus, inc Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and a variety of other scriptures and their own living Baba? No cos you are narrow-minded. And they want to LISTEN to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, not just wrap up Guru ji, not ignorantly recite from Guru ji and not just adorn Guru Ji. Some people listen, and act with true respect by following just one little bit of Bani, but some others just fake it and then get their kirpans out cos they are power freaks.

#5 No one Absolutely No one should be allowed to make a mockery of our religion by disobeying 10 th Guru Ji

A true fanatic’s statement. It’s YOUR religion is it? Even if it was, which it isn’t, the world is everybody’s and so is the right to freedom of speech and freedom to follow any which variant of a religion that one wants to follow, without the threat of supposedly God remembering folks rushing in with kirpans and guns, to attack peaceful followers of one’s faith. That is the true mockery. These fanatics attacking someone in their own temple, have mocked true Sikhi, which is also totally outrageous, and it is not the first time either. I hope it will be the last time, but I fear not, because fanatics have a got a very bad strong grip of Sikhi’s control now.

#6 If we do not die Now as "Singh's our children will die later.

So you haven’t even realised EVERYBODY dies. But we don’t have to kill each other over religion. Only fanatics do that, then others have to sort them out. They want to live, and they are not going to put up with these sorts of extremist actions, however strong you think you are.

#7 Sikhs are Not looking for false recognition, but to preserve the integrity of their teachings

The teaching is enshrined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, the eternal Guru ji. It is permanent. Maybe you didn’t realise. Try reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and trying to understand it. It tells you to remember God and do good deeds. The key word is GOOD. It doesn’t say shoot people on basis of disrespect, which is unproven anyway. Even if it is proven, shooting someone is not the way to put things right. Only fanatics do that.

#8 By the way please be reminded of the Indian army who burst into our holliest place of worship and killed Sikhs.

So doing one wrong, which was very, very, wrong, means anyone else can do another wrong at any time, and it will put it right? What’s that got to do with shooting yet other people in another’s temple ?

#9 Always remember Guru Gobind Singh Ji was No Buddha who was an atheist. He rejected his Vedas.

So what? He didn’t reject God did he? He put God at number one, not Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, not himself, not his Sikhs, not the Hindus, not the Muslims, not the Bhuddists, not the Jains, not the Yogis, not anyone else. Cos he had the sense to know God was number one, and God was the only one he would answer to. But of course you think Guru is number one.

#10 Sikhs will fight their enemies with their last drop of Blood, and we will win in the end. and finally the world knows the contribution which we have made, and so are truthful people living in India.

The only thing will happen is the world will see all sikhs, including all the sensible ones, in a bad light. As they do some other religions now. If you think you are going to turn the whole world to your bent idea of sikhi, then you have another thing to realise. They will wipe you out. No-one stands for extremists anymore. Sikhi is much, much more than fighting. And even then it only fights persecuting enemies, not people practising peacefully in their own way. Fighting is the very last resort.

Waheguru ji ki Fateh !

May 25, 2009 - 1:03pm — hirdey

agent of indira?

It is so funny how desperate these hindus are to ruin sant jarnail singh ji bhindrawala's image that he was an agent of Indira gandhi. I just want to ask them that if he was an agent of indira why he wanted to spread sikhi, do prachar of gurbani and baptise more and more sikhs so they can be brave and fight for their rights and gave his life for sikhs without worring about his own family. And if he was an agent of Indira gandhi why indira wanted to kill him? Why was he called a terrorist by indira's people? Why he was wanted? Why he gave his life for sikhs? All I can say is who ever calls him an agent of Indira, is an agent of indira himself. Let's not pay attention to these hindus' attempts to create hate among sikhs. they are doing this so they can tell the world that even sikhs hate bhindrawala (their own leader who died for them) if he(Rajesh Kumar)has proofs against sant ji why doesn't he post them on sikhnet so we can see that too. All this holocaust was not gonna take place if he was indira's agent. These hindus can not digest the bravery of sikhs. He is a martyr of sikh nation and we will always salute him. Finally like Guru Nanak sahib said "koor nikhutte Nanaka orak sach rahi". Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh!!
May 25, 2009 - 10:24am — only4GOD

K J Singh ji, you now emphasise your ignorance

The total lack of remorse and your regret of what these fanatics have gone and done in Vienna yesterday, in all your numbered points to me, just further show up your total ignorance of what Sikhi is about. Yes you can quote me a thousand and one hukams from greatly respected and treasured Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji. No doubt you can give me a thousand and one more hukams from the Panth and its misguided followers. However you just cannot understand the one and only hukam from Guru Nanak Dev ji, which he humbly says is the hukam of God, he doesn’t even to claim it to be his own cos he fully understood who is number one (GOD !) - hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal.

There is no other hukam that counts ; all you have to do is remember God in your thoughts, deeds and actions, but you will never understand this because you are so bent on following some other misguided human cos you are tribalistic to the core. You cannot survive without having someone to hold the tail of. You are like sheep; if one walks one way then all of you walk the same way. You need a chief, a guru, a leader, absolutely anybody. You just cannot accept responsibility for your own actions and accept that at the end YOU, not any guru or anyone else you want to offload your responsibility onto, will HAVE to account to GOD not any Guru or other person whatsoever. Neither can the types who went and did this dastardly deed in Vienna. But you will never understand the meaning of this line cos you don’t want to. You brain is switched off and you are in auto follow the leader mode, out of misguided supposed respect. However Sri Gobind Sahib ji would whip your backsides if he was with us today, for attacking people who are harming no-one. How unlucky we are that he isn’t here today to sort your types out and how lucky you are that he isn’t. Roll on the US in Afghanistan in mopping up fanatics there, roll on the Pakistan army in mopping up the fanatics in NW frontier province, and roll on the Indian Gov in getting rid of the fanatic elements in the otherwise peaceful sikhs and others who just want to just get on with life in Punjab, India but just cannot because of fanatical morons who run Sikhi today. God will deal with people like you when He catches up with you, for spreading nothing but hatred under cover of religion, and may that be sooner rather than later.

Don’t forget: Waheguru ji ki Fateh ! – Not Khalsa’s fateh, not your fateh, nor any guru's fateh nor any other religious follower’s fateh. It is God’s victory and always will be.

May 25, 2009 - 6:04am — only4GOD

K J Singh and actions by fanatics in Vienna

On 25th May K J Singh ji you wrote:

“All of what is happening in Vienna and Haryana is a result of phony Sikhs


.

Sikhs must follow the Instructions of the Tenth Guru Guru Gobind Singh Ji and die on the battlefield fighting, in order to save the world to preserve Dharma.”

No Sikh has to attack other faiths at all, and never ever did Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji say go out and attack peaceful followers of their own faiths, and you are just trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes about totally outrageous actions.

What you have written is absolute rubbish and you should know it. The world knows it but you don’t want to know it. Your ears are blocked to the truth when you hear it, and your eyes are blind to the truth when you see it. Anything that supposed Sikhs do wrong is still justified out of blind allegiance. What happened in Vienna is nothing to do with phony sikhs but has everything to do with misguided people who think they are sikhs, who can’t control their pride of status as being sikhs, and who don’t understand the first thing about what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is desperately trying to teach them. All these outrageous fanatics can think of is violence against others. It is totally 100 percent against the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev ji to try to justify actions of persecutors. Guru Nanak was first and foremost a rebel against persecution as were the other sikh Gurus. If you think it is proper to burst into a temple where some people are peacefully following their religion, HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE, IN WHATEVER MANNER THEY CHOOSE AND FOLLOWING WHICHEVER BABA OR SCRIPTURE THEY CHOOSE, then that mentality that makes you think this is a correct action, is nothing to do with true sikhi, but has everything to do with thinking of extremists and fanatics who don’t understand their own religion. In other words you are now using the thinking of the muslims and hindus who misused their religion in the 1400s to 1700s against which the gurus fought against. Sikhi is and always was a peaceful religion, and only rises to defend itself when attacked. True Sikhs do not attack peaceful practitioners of any other faith or sect, even if it is another Sikh sect. So if you think it is ok to attack civilised peaceful people even if they are doing something you don’t happen to like to Sri guru Granth Sahib ji, then you are like hindu/muslim persecutors but reborn in this age, and need to condemned for your thinking and outrageous actions. God please, please, save humans from such intolerant control freaks, who misuse religion to justify their egotistical actions, whether they be supposedly Hindu, Moslim, Jewish, Christian or Sikh. These people need to be damned for what they are, and NOT defended. The sooner they see the light, or are crushed, the better for all peaceful people.. On goes the war against extremists, including supposed Sikhs, who are the same under another robe.

Waheguru ji ki Fateh ONLY

May 25, 2009 - 7:26am — K.J.SINGH

Pure Sikhs were Praying in Harimandir when they we Massacured

With Ref to (only4God) You people are so deceptive you have No name and are trying to dictate to us. #1 The persecution which Guru Nanak Dev Ji rebeled against was the sinful activities of Hindu Brahmins. #2 Sikhs have never forced upon anyone to become a Sikh or "Singh" as Hindu RSS Brahmins do. #3 The names Rama Anand and Nirangan Das are NOT "Singh" They have No respect of Guru Gobind Singh Ji #4 These Sants were looking for Pussycats amongst the Sikh community and these are their devotes. #4 These devotees have lost their respect for Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji and all of our Gurus. #5 No one Absolutely No one should be allowed to make a mockery of our religion by disobeying 10 th Guru Ji #6 If we do not die Now as "Singh's our children will die later. #7 Sikhs are Not looking for false recognition, but to preserve the integrity of their teachings #8 By the way please be reminded of the Indian army who burst into our holliest place of worship and killed Sikhs. #9 Always remember Guru Gobind Singh Ji was No Buddha who was an atheist. He rejected his Vedas. #10 Sikhs will fight their enemies with their last drop of Blood, and we will win in the end. and finally the world knows the contribution which we have made, and so are truthful people living in India.
May 25, 2009 - 5:49am — nimanna

Memorial day.

Today is memorial day here in states on this day i SALUTE all of those sikhs who gave their lifes for us.We all know they attack on our AKAL TAKHAT the source of POWER FOR SIKHS.They think if they destroy AKAL TAKHAT then sikhs going to die but they forget manu saddi datri......... AKAL TAKHAT GAVE ITSELF IN MARTYRDOM.we have to be carefull from those who saying us FORGET 1984.Again i SALUTE TO ALL THOSE SIKHS WHO SACRIFICE THERE LIFES FOR PANTH.
May 25, 2009 - 3:28am — K.J.SINGH

Milk Touched By the Lips of a Kobra Snake has Poisonous Effects

Please Do Not waste your valuable time on Romesh Kumar. The name last name KUMAR is NOT Sikh. And these demons will never win , thats why we must teach them of their own teachings and how they have destroyed it. Any intelligent person who reads Sikhnet can tell who is favorable to Sikhism, and Romesh is certainly NOT. These Rogues are Cobra Snakes sitting in our Gurdwaras with jewelry around their necks. Their objective is to Kill our Gurus while pretending to be Sikhs, All of what is happening in Vienna and Haryana is a result of phony Sikhs like Romesh Sharma Kumar Ji. Brahmans will do anything to destroy the charecter of Sikhs, and these are mostly the followers of Vivekananda..Shakta Brahmans, Dayanand Saraswatti, and Shivitee Brahmans all covered atheists. The followers of these demons are all Rawans dresses in the robes of a Holy person. They are worst than the Godless Moguls and Britishers combined together. Sikhs must follow the Instructions of the Tenth Guru Guru Gobind Singh Ji and die on the battlefield fighting, in order to save the world to preserve Dharma.
June 3, 2009 - 3:23am — Romesh Kumar

K.J.Singh....................

K.J.Singh........................, It is you and some other members like you who might be using socalled sikh name ( I hope you know that singh suffix was not invented by sikhs) to spread communal hatred. As I have said earlier and other members also know that you and few other members sound to be somewhere in lunatic asylums in West. K.J....just look behind and your own genetic background will be traced back to same brahamans. Sikh and sikhism is practicalisation of an ideology, a philosophy. If you claim to be real sikh and sympathisers of sikhs then what are you doing in West ? Come forward, come to poloitical boundaries of Punjab/Homeland of sikhism and fight for sikh rights. People like you are a disgrace to the name of Tenth master. Stop misusing his name for your wicked and sinister designs. Based on my own experience in India/punjab/abroad, I have found that it is; 1. Corrupt, wicked, selfish and opportunist politico-religious leaders in Punjab; and 2. Some NRI sikhs of same character with that are enemies of sikhs and sikhism. Cobra is too small of a name for these two categories of sikhs as he can be caught, devemonized, and his teeth broken. These two categories are much worse than cobra.I fully respect those sikhs who follow sikh code of conduct and conventions. But it does not mean that any pretender qualifies for that respect. A fox after wearing the skin of a lion does not become a lion and if a lion's hair are shaved off that will not affect his inner lionness at all. You are most welcome to practize your DHARMA and KARMA in Punjab/India. Stop blowing this venom from greener pastures of West for now.
May 25, 2009 - 12:40am — arshi (not verified)

RK ji: Try and understand Sikh sentiments

I think the article sums up very succinctly the events in and around 1984. Most Sikhs and fair-minded Hindu folks will agree, largely, with both the spirit and the contents of the article. Even if one were to accept that Bhindrawala was wrong (and this is debatable), had the Government run out of all options? Not likely as alternatives were possible but the right-wing elements in the Government mislead and convinced Indira that Sikhs had to be taught a lesson. This is the perception of even liberal minded Sikhs. I have been around long enough to know this. If anyone cannot see that, he/she is either blind to the facts or does not wish to acknowledge them. Even if we were to accept that Bhindrawala transgressed the sanctity of Harmandar Sahib (again this is debatable), what did the army do? Did they preserve its sanctity? Do two wrongs make a right? Khushwant Singh, a very liberal Sikh, was so furious he offered to return his gong (cannot remember the full details, but the point is not many Sikhs are as liberal as Khushwant Singh and he was livid with anger). Sikhs have painful memories of the desecration of their Holy places including Harmandar Sahib by the Moghuls, Afghani and Persian invaders in the 18th Century (Remember. Nadar Shah, Abdali, Zakaria Khan, Adina Beg!). Several times Harmandar Sahib was reduced (burnt) to the ground, the Sarovar was filled with debris and dead animals. BUT WHEN THE PEOPLE FOR WHOM THEY LAID DOWN THEIR LIVES DO IT CAN YOU IMAGINE THE HURT! Can you imagine the feelings of every Sikh (including Indira’s bodyguards)? THE ACT WAS AKIN TO A SPIRITUAL RAPE OF THE MOST SENSITIVE SUSCEPTIBILITIES OF A PROUD PEOPLE. Sardar Beant Singh and Sardar Satwant Singh were not immune to such feelings. The author (Dr Harjot Kaur) writes “We, as Sikhs, must learn the lesson from this dark chapter of history SO THAT IT WILL NEVER BE REPEATED. We must educate the rest of the world about the Sikh Holocaust of 1984, especially since most the information was suppressed and hidden even in this modern day and age.” IF PEOPLE CARRY ON THINKING LIKE SHRI RAMESH KUMAR, I FEAR ANOTHER HOLOCAUST IS JUST ROUND THE CORNER. Shri Romesh Kumar is always on the opposite end of the argument, only the names of the Sikhs he is arguing with change. Romesh ji, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FANATICS AS YOU USUALLY CLAIM. I for certainly am not as I have as many Hindu friends as Sikhs. Why is it that whenever there is a contentious issue you are always at the middle of it. One would think (and I sincerely hope I am wrong) you are a sworn enemy of the Sikhs. WHY DO YOU ALWAYS PICK UP THE CONTENTIOUS BITS, as they may appear to you, and not comment on the positive aspects of the article? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS DEFEND THE AUTHORITIES? It is no surprise then that many suspect that you are an agent of the GOI, in particular because of the time you invest on this site. WHY CAN’T YOU FOR ONCE BE CONCILIATORY AND ASSUAGE THE BRUISED FEELINGS OF SIKHS. TRY IT AND SEE HOW THEY WARM UP TOWARDS YOU. By all means make reservations on some points. For example I agree with you that some Sikhs do go over the top on certain issues, e.g. PM Manmohan Singh, but they have been frustrated for years because of the injustices meted out to Sikhs in the past. But you go ALL out to upset ALL Sikhs. I have been following your posts for quite some time and have wondered how and from where you find the time. Over a month ago I too invested a lot of time on this site – you will remember my dialogue with you – but this was when I was convalescing at home from an illness. Even then my work suffered because of the obsession internet discussion can become. I am braced for a long reply from you and am concerned from where I will find the time to respond. I am currently burning the midnight oil and writing several technical articles and also preparing a speech for a huge social gathering. I hope some of my young Sikh friends (who are an excellent match for you) will ‘entertain’ you (because this is what it is for some people – cheap entertainment) if I cannot respond to all your points in a hurry.
June 3, 2009 - 3:54am — Romesh Kumar

arshi sahib..........,

arshi sahib.........., Punjab problem was a mess-up and outcome of many problems and dimensions hijaked by pakistan and its ISI. There were legitimate demands of sikhs and punjabis mixed with political games of Indira and politico-religious leaders of Punjab and opportunitic interests of some NRI sikhs. Unfortunately common, ignorant and innocent people paid the price of that. It is same characters not RK who have a burning desire to revive that situation. It is now their failure on all fronts which is causing frustrations in their minds and they use to vent it in sikhnet. I use to write what I feel and know ( which is necessarily not 100% right ). The moment I see a misconception, I use to respond. I am not writing here to appease or offend any individual/s nor I have any agenda. And, for your kind information, socalled agents of GOI are very much inside gurdwaras and sgpc in sabat-soorat form not myself and like me wandering here and there for daal-roti. You use to see them everyday around you but can't identify as bana also serves as a cover-up and it seems to be beyond your capacity to see through the bana.
June 5, 2009 - 12:56pm — arshi (not verified)

Where is the evidence?

Shri Ramesh ji your late response prompted me to think that perhaps my fellow Sikhs had finally succeeded in driving you away from this forum. Wishful thinking on their part! However, I can only say welcome back, but with some reservations to which I am entitled and which constitutes no act of unkindness towards you or anyone else. You will remember that in my previous post (25 May) I had resounded the words of Dr Harjot Kaur) “We, as Sikhs, must learn the lesson from this dark chapter of history SO THAT IT WILL NEVER BE REPEATED. We must educate the rest of the world about the Sikh Holocaust of 1984, especially since most the information was suppressed and hidden even in this modern day and age”. To this I had added: ”IF PEOPLE CARRY ON THINKING LIKE SHRI RAMESH KUMAR, I FEAR ANOTHER HOLOCAUST IS JUST ROUND THE CORNER”. I MUST HAVE BEEN TEMPTING PROVIDENCE, BECAUSE THE SAME DAY THE TRAGEDY OCCURRED IN VIENNA. There is no doubt we, as a human race, are becoming intolerant and provocative by the day. I had also observed that most Sikhs on this forum see your contributions as CONTENTIOUS and ANTAGONISTIC. They also suspect you are a GOI representative as they see you as ALWAYS DEFENDING THE AUTHORITIES. Perhaps this is somewhat strong and even futile without evidence. I do not believe you are an agent – may be just someone who likes stirring things up a bit – which does not suit a person of your maturity! YOU CLAIM AGENTS OF GOI ARE VERY MUCH INSIDE GURDWARAS AND SGPC IN SABAT-SOORAT FORM. This is possible – nothing is impossible in India. Do you have evidence of this because the people I have met on my visits to India appear to be devoted Sikhs? If YOU have any evidence please share it with us and perhaps we can follow it up. Making casual references, I am afraid, is dangerous and unhealthy for Sikhs and decent Hindus (who I also regard as my brothers and friends). There is plenty of evidence here of two individuals (you and every one on this forum know who they are) who continually and deliberately upset Sikhs by disrespecting Sikh Gurus and Gurbani and also, occasionally, back you up. I have never seen you disassociating yourself from them, even though I think your views on Gurbani and on Sikh Gurus are respectful. Why don’t you come out and condemn such conduct? You will be pleasantly surprised with the response you receive from Sikhs. I am not saying, here, that you have to agree with us all the time. We are all different and have opinions, unique to our perspective on certain issues. For example, Himmat Singh frequently posts radical views but still retains the respect of Sikhs. He even occasionally apologises, which I see as strength rather than a weakness. Your two friends, I referred to above, never show any regret or remorse at what they say. IF YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND ASSOCIATE WITH THEM YOU WILL BE DOING YOURSELF a great disservice because I, for one, believe you are a not a bad person – may be misguided at times – and capable of extending a hand of friendship towards Sikhs who, I agree, are impressionable, excitable and at times perhaps a little impetuous. But can you blame them considering the provocation they get? You will have to understand their counter-provocation, as sometimes attack is the best form of defense. You may not regard yourself a Sikh but you are a Punjabi (hopefully a good one) and that is a good enough for me to form meaningful relationships (a lot of my friends are Hindu Punjabis). May your God go with you! Arshi
May 25, 2009 - 10:40am — sukhi-sahib (not verified)

100% correct

you are absolutely correct bhen/veer ji
May 24, 2009 - 4:48am — K.J.SINGH

Shivitee Brahmans or Impersonalists Destroyed India. Not Muslims

Shivitee Brahmans are all demigod worshippers, and they hate anyone who do not worship demigods. Our Gurus strictly forbid the worship of demigods (Shiva, Kali, Durga, Ganesh, and all other demigods.) There is NO demigod Worship in Sikhism. Which is consistent with the Teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and the Puranas. Our Guru understood these teachings and forbid all brahmins from polluting Gurudwaras with demigod worshipping. The demigods are all in the mode of PASSION , and our gurus wanted all Sikhs to rise above the mode of passion, but Lusty Hindu brahmins wanted to increase Maya. and control the masses. They are in a very subtle way increasing lust through the film industry, Sharma Ji and Pandya Ji to the North of India, and Subramaniam Ji to the south of India. and now they are using "Singh's .Remember former Prime Minister Rao was a thief, he was put into Jail. He was a dishonest and untruthful brahman. Please understand I do not dislike Brahmins I am just explaining what problems they have caused in the past, and they should see the truth and respect alll teachings and NOT force people into becomming Hindus or Demigod worshippers. Try to understand my messages they are all designed to destroy impersonalism or Maya, the root cause of all problems, its called MAYA.
May 23, 2009 - 7:42pm — K.J.SINGH

Evil Brahmans Stick Together to Preserve Brahmanism

Sikhs, Christians, Muslims, and Jews have NO secured home in Modern India, The RSS/VHP will continue to spread hatred towards them because they do not follow the teachings of Shankararcharya. Always remember and NEVER forget that Impersonalism as taught by Shankara leads to Super Materialism. Materialists are Hindus who "DO NOT SURRENDER AND SERVE THE ONE SUPREME LORD. Instead they worship Shiva for a husband, Ganesh to remove obstacles, Durga for Shakti ..energy which increases their sex power, Kali to eat Goat meat, just to name a few, they have no knowledge of God and the spiritual world. Hindu Brahmins are materialists, they are all into making money and politics, These demons have sucked the blood of misguided hindus by performing empty rituals and stealing their money, and their children are into astrology and are also sucking blood. They have made Demigod worshippers out of millions of people in India. Hindu Brahmins are the worst terrorists in India. The Srimad Bhagavad Gita condemns demigod worshipping, and so is the Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji. The Hindu Brahmans who worship Shiva and other demigods destroyed Vaishnavism by mixing Shiviteeism and Vaishnavism together, and then referring to Vaishnavism as Vaishnava Hindu. They are trying to do the same thing with Sri Guru Grant Sahib JI, Thats why our Gurus made a clear distinction between Demigod Worshipping and Sikhism, This has outraged the followers of Shankararcharya, or cast conscious Brahmans in India. And this is the root cause of hatred towards any MONOTHEISTIC faith in India. The Hindi language which was best known for singing Bhagans and reading the Ramayan, are now used by the children of Hindu Brahmins to promote MAYA in the Hindi film industry. Aishwarya Rai, Amitah Bachan, Lata Ji and Asha Ji are all children of Brahmins, in destroying the Harimandir they have destroyed their grandchildren's spiritual life making them Godless. And these are the real future threat to all Monotheistic faiths in modern India. Several years ago they were kissing on screen today they are literally spitting in each others mouth all in the name of Hindu culture, thanks to lusty demigod hindu worshipping brahmins, the worshippers of Shiva, Durga, and Kali.
May 23, 2009 - 11:09pm — Romesh Kumar

K.J.SINGH....................

K.J.SINGH............................., From all of your posts, it is really difficult to pick the thread to know what exactly do you want to say. You made mention of Srimad Bhagwadgita and negative role of brahamans which is true. Bottom line is that; HAD SRIMAD BHAGWATGEETA READ,PREACHED,EXPLAINED,UNDERSTOOD AND FOLLOWED TO ITS ESSENCE THEN AT LEAST INDIAN SUBCONTINENT/SOUTH ASIA WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE NATION. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO CASTEISM AND UNTOUCHABILITY THEREBY NO DIVIDE AND WEAKNESS IN SOCIETY THEREBY NO INVADERS COULD HAVE SUCCEEDED THEREBY NO CULTURAL AND DEMOGRAPHICAL INVASION THEREBY NO OPRESSION AND FORCED CONVERSIONS THEREBY NO GURUS THEREBY NO SIKHISM OR ISLAM OR CHRISTIANITY OR ANY OTHER 'ISM' WHICH HAVE ENPLAGUED THIS ANCIENT, RICH AND HEALTHY MIIND CIVILISATION AND SOCIETY. INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PARADISE ON EARTH AS ONE NATION. That is why intellectual people do not like a class of brahamans who had either concealed the teachings to themselves or misinterpreted them or surgically picked negative comments and lines and preached them. iT IS THEN SIKH GURUS WHO ORGANISED AND PRACTICALISED THAT PHILOSOPHY BUT THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS TOOK IT TO OTHER DIRECTION AND SIKHISM COULD NOT SPREAD AND TAKE OVER AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAPPENED.
May 23, 2009 - 7:31pm — nimanna

The truth is.

The truth is they use comandos to save taj and use tanks for sikhs in golden tempel even truth and facts are very clear in front of all but still they saying they are right.WOW.
May 23, 2009 - 6:30am — nimanna

Sister harjot kaur ji.

Sister ji we have to learn the truth from HINDUS because only they know the truth and we all the sikhs arround the world don't know any thing?This one saying here the truth and only truth because they are speaking the truth from 1947 and before that.He saying you DISTORT TRUTH?
May 22, 2009 - 2:02pm — Romesh Kumar

"Those within the Harimander

"Those within the Harimander complex were brutally murdered and the sarovar was a sea of blood. Sikh men in Punjab were taken from their homes, doused in petrol, and burnt alive. Sikh women and girls were abused and raped. Entire families and their homes were burnt and pillaged. A blackout was placed on the state, blocking TV, radio, phone, and media communication to the outside world. The Sikhs abroad were not able to communicate with their relatives". ??????????? This amounts to spreading poison and misguiding the generations who were born in 80s and later. Was it an act of agression or opression ? Was it a preemptive strike on part of army ? Had it been so then there would have been no single casuality on army side. It was strategists and fighters inside who wanted to and used Harmandir Sahib and pilgrims as shield. It was army soldiers who sacrificed their own lives by obeying the orders of not firing a single bullet towards Harmandir Sahib and also let sacred shrine not come in line of fire . That is how and why soldiers became sitting ducks to snipers leaving them with no option but to shell the hideout. It is true that there were some basic lapses in strategy and action on part of army commanders on the ground. It was further complicated by lack of expertise in this kind of operation on part of army. That is where need of forces like NSG was felt. When terrorists occupied and fortified Mecca Saudi govt responded with army action agaist fellow muslims, islamic pak govt did same in Lal Masjid. If terrorists occupy and fortify Vatican, christian govts will do the same. Why did writer not write course of events behind and before it ? Why is writer blending this action with 84 riots ? This is a deliberate act on part of writer to distort the truth and and add fuel to the fire. Was it legitimate to fortify a place of worship to modern military standards ? Who were those fighters inside ? What was their problem and ultimate objective and mission ? What were they doing inside complex and throughout the state ? Why did writer not make mention of what led to army intervention ? WORST SOMEONE ESPECIALLY A WRITER CAN DO TO COMMUNITY IS TO DISTORT TRUTH AND PRESENT AN ONESIDED, BIASED, PROVOCATIVE AND INFLAMMATORY VERSION OF EVENTS. Which murder, rape and abuse of women, taking men from their homes, dousing in petrol, burning alive etc etc in operation bluestar witer is writing about ?? It is a bundle of lies. It is most tragic that some people who have not even been to Punjab (generally speaking) claim to be eyewitnesses of something they do not know even the basics of.
May 23, 2009 - 11:54am — stand for truth (not verified)

who says................

who says harminder sahib was not fired. bullets teared guru granth sahib, blind ragi singh was killed by army bullets inside darbar sahib. want to see bullet marks, still i can show at kesgarh sahib and harmandir sahib. answer me why 72 other gurudwaras blown up in punjab, why money (more than 2 lacs) from gollak was taken away by the army from gurudwaras surrounding (darbar sahib complex), why reference library was torched.why innocent sikhs were tied with their turbans and beaten up by your army. those( innocent civillians) who were trying to reach darbar sahib were shot by your army. i again ask you same question why casualities were not displayed, why media blackout was imposed, just to hide indira gandhi`s diabolism. why 9 division of army used in such a small complex, and that too neutralize just 200-300 men. was only tanks remained last resort. actually this ws the task of police. army is to fight enemies (sikhs in general in this case for GOI). this operation was to tell sikhs "if you oppose indira gandhi you will face dire consequences". you always talk about bhindrawala, he was obscure, who the hell knew "who the bhindrawala was". it was again gandhi family`s choice. what about "government of rajasthan`s minister`s threat to kill all sikhs in rajasthan, and killed many sikh youths in fake encounter". yes pak did it but never used tanks, as i have said before, akshardham and ayodhya were protected (terror has no religion), but minority religious places are blown with tanks.
May 23, 2009 - 1:43pm — Romesh Kumar

stand for

stand for truth...................., please do stand for truth ( what your ID suggests ). Truth is that you do not know what are you writing. 72 gurdwaras blown up in Punjab ?????? which Punjab are you writing about ? 9 divisions of army ?????? Do you know the strength of one division of army ? ONE READY TO DIE OR KILL TERRORIST HOLED UP IN AN ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION CAN FIGHT OR KILL 100s OF PEOPLE BEFORE GETTING SHOT DOWN.Was that a drama being played on stage in full lights for full view of public and media ? Or,was it a routine army exercise ? There was authentic intelligence input that there is going to be declaration of Khalistan and terrorists would strike all over the state. Army had to move in before they were fully prepared to fight that kind of unconventional battle in a place where they were not free to form their normal and formal battle formations. Army had already run out of time resulting in some lapses. All innocent deaths and damage were result of cross fire. After all it was a battle, flowers were not being exchanged. Army made many efforts to get in to Akal takht Sahib but they were becoming sitting ducks to snipers holed up inside. NSG and other special forces were raised after learning lessons from this operation and were effectively used in operation blackthunder and other operations.
May 24, 2009 - 5:29am — stand for truth (not verified)

kumar ji

i have heard goi one sided version many times, pls dont repeat it again and again. tanks were brought to destroy keshgarh sahib also, but at then jathedar skillfully handled, situation telling army you go inside and check thats how keshgarh sahib was saved. yes 72 other gurudwaras were destroyed. if in bombay media can cover the story why not media was allowed that time and dont tell me that, army never did military exercise for this operation at chakrota, in a building similar to complex. i know what i am writing. yes it was a drama to strike the roots of sikhs, their very conciousness, our soul was shaken. just to teach sikhs a lesson. another version of the story prevalent in maharashtra " army removed shoes kept arms aside, and entered takht sahib,then asked militants you surrender" many more versions are there. after operation was over wasnt army greeted by non-sikhs mob by giving them beeris, pan, other items, outside punjab (haryana, delhi), as if they had won a war against their dreadest enemy. srilanka is also giving the name humanitarian operation, but carving its evil design. every powerful hawk do like that only,thats why they are not allowing full acess to the civilian camps. just goi deniedv media. i can understand upperhand communities sentiments. how many municipal corporation trucks were used to carry bodies of sikhs, from takht sahib complex?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
May 24, 2009 - 6:24am — Romesh Kumar

stand for

stand for truth......................., Doctor sahib, it was not just a bloody battle but a multi-dimensional (political,religious,diplomatic,strategic,international) problem. It was as well a message to ISI/Pak army that we can effectively fight on many fronts (if forced on us) at a time and your plans will be thwarted even if there is mutiny in part of Indian army. My friend, think-tanks, policy-planners and policy-makers in Delhi and Chandigarh are not stand for truth or RK. Even army,other security forces and intelligence agencies do not know what exactly is the motive of what. Their job is only to execute order and bring intelligence input for analysers to analyse, assess and strategize. They are running a nation of total of 1200 million hindus, sikhs, muslims, christians, budhists, jains, jews and others. They are not running a gurdwara or a religious sect like sacha sauda or so.
May 24, 2009 - 7:41am — stand for truth (not verified)

dear sir

dear sir, i know many sikhs have their misgivings, in this episode. that helped mrs gandhi to carve out her evil design, bhindrawala was only being used as a tool. you agree or not but that was her emotional insanity against sikhs. it was her personal fight.she was trying to settle her personal scores. it is considered not as victory against terror, but victory of majority over sikhs. but the way operation carried out was seen as indira`s triumph against sikhs, who (sikhs) spoke against a dictator in a democracy. yes thats our grieviances the way operation was executed. i know mighty indian army, who can push pathans and tribals out of valley, were so much unable that they decided to use tanks. it was building not open battle field. they intended to destroy takht sahib so they did that. religious places of minority and women of minority are targeted only to show superiority of upperhand community. why hands of pilgrims were tied that too with turbans. innocents were killed. definitely it was not to eliminate political elements, but to strike soul of sikhs. in malasia hindu temple was destroyed, mughals destroyed many hindu temples, hindus destroyed babari masjid.............................????????????????? just to show supremacy. its in the history of mankind. women and religious places are targeted to show supremacy.
May 23, 2009 - 7:17am — sukhi-sahib (not verified)

hahaha ignorance or arrogance, perhaps both?

terrorists?, which terrorists? By you're definition isnt that all sikhs? as all sikhs have the right to bare arms when oppressed, be it with the talwar or the gun it makes no difference. Even so-your trying to justify the BLOWING UP of the akal takht with TANKS as fine and legitimate, do you seriously think TANKS were an appropriate measure for such comparitavely light armed oppenents, nevermind the fact that the attack was timed with a holy date which maximised the amount of pilgrims in the vicinity! Also why was the sikh reference library burned? haha and the harimandir sahib was ridden with bullet holes, who do you think put them their? A bullet hole even peiced Guru Granth sahib ji and blood was spilt from the granthi who was doing paath onto guru sahib ji, how do explain this? (evidence will be provided if needs be). As for "Sikh women and girls were abused and raped. Entire families and their homes were burnt and pillaged" i think this is reffering to the delhi riots which you cannot dare refute, everybody knows what happened there on those 3 fateful nights. However it is with regret that i offer condolences to innocent hindus which died during this movement, most them died perhaps at the hands of government agents some of the hands of so called sikhs. But these were no followers of the Guru and no associates of Bhindranwale -so how can you describe those in the akal takht as terrorists. The innocent hindus which died were killed by pendhus jumping on the bandwagon- not true khalistanis or sikhs. Oh and one more point, " What were they doing inside complex and throughout the state". When fighting a political power a soverieghn people are based at their politcal epicentre ( houses of parliament etc) so i ask you a simple question, What is the Akal Takht? ...... yeah exactly- they were totally justified in fortifying it and being there. What were they're motives?... to recieve appropriate recognition from the governent to have their distinct identity as a seperate religion and people achieved (Just read the indian constituition if you think india respects minorities and the sikhs.) I expect you know the problems of the river divertions, linguistic assertions and general economic problems faced by farmers etc in punjab. These are all factors in the prejudiced and discrimantory acts caused by the indian government which evidently are prominent to day. Find some evidence that bhindranwale was a terrorist, hour upon hours of his speeches katha and interviews can be found and you will not find one sentence resemblant of terrorsm, only justice and truth.
May 23, 2009 - 8:22am — Romesh Kumar

sukhi-sahib............., We

sukhi-sahib............., We can not draw a parallel between Delhi riots and operation blue star. Riots were an inhuman and wild act. Since you justify the fortification of a place to modern military standards by some individuals in a sovereign state then army intervention was more than justified. We had and have heartily concerns and sympathy with those who might have been caught in cross-fire. Please let alone Anandpur Sahib resolution and other centre-state matters as ethnic cleansing of non-sikhs was not solution to that.
May 23, 2009 - 1:25pm — sukhi-sahib (not verified)

look at stand_for_truths reply

can you answer the questions posed by stand_for_truth, nothing can explain the action taken by the army in sachkhand harimandir sahib, there WAS no ethnic cleansing!!! The government portrayed all seperatists as terrorists when in reality the true Khalistanis only killed dushts who deserved to die! Innocent hindus were killed by government agents posing as sikhs and pendhus who claimed to be sikhs -these pendhus had no concept of the khalsistan and just were angry, therefore they were not true singhs and definetly were not part of Bhindranwale and his followers, thus sant bhindranwale was arrested and released due to NO EVIDENCE a few years prior, search the myriads of archives of his speechs to the sangat and show me where he promotes ethnic cleansing or violence against non-sikhs. The complex was only fortified due to imminent attack which was going to happen, so that cannot be the reason the attack was initiated! These claims are just ludicrous!!! The main motive of indira gandhis attack on the golden temple was to douse the flame of sikhi for her hindu majority vote! after creating the false image of sikh terrorism and then taking action, which hindu wouldnt vote for her? disgusting plan. p.s "fortification of a place to modern military"- is what you refer too as a few sandbags and light weoponry (ak-47s, rifles and a few grenades.) Then you show the world the weopons you planted thier yourself! What was the solution you suggest to the anandpur sahib resolution, no-one was listening or answering, you cant ignore a whole community-especially the a one which owned half of india before the arrival of the british !
May 23, 2009 - 2:03pm — Romesh Kumar

sukhi-sahib.........., he

sukhi-sahib.........., he himself does not know what is he writing and you need to straight your facts. What standard and scale were terrorists using to brand someone "DUSHT" ? 'Govt agents' is a very convenient term. Real agent of govt/indira was bhinderanwala himself. I have three of his original recorded audio cassettes still with me. No one has caused as much damage to sikhs and sikhism as much he did. Did army use rocket-launchers, artillery or heavy artillery, bombs, missiles or nukes ? One tank was brought in as a last resort when there was no other option left to bring a quick end to conflict to avoid escalations in countryside makiing easy excuse for napakistan to militarily intervene.
May 22, 2009 - 1:22pm — kuldeep Singh Gill

Well said Dr Harjot Kaur Ji

Well said Dr Harjot Kaur Ji , We must all follow Guru Sahibs teachings and practice Gursikhi first before we are able to educate the rest. Please keep up the fantastic work. WGJKK WGJKF.
May 21, 2009 - 12:54pm — sukhi-sahib (not verified)

Martyrdom in 1980's

Let us not only remember the matyrdom of the akal takht, but the singhs whose bravery and limitless courage enabled them to stand up to such harsh odds and die fighting. These men are exemplerary to the whole world that the sikh spirit is still alive and glowing bright. Sant Jarnail Singh ji Bhindranwale deserves the utmost respect after awaking a sleeping nation and paying the heaviest price. "Physical Death I do not fear, Death of the Conscience is a Sure Death"

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