Chaupai Sahib - Broken Bani?

November 5th, 2008 Source: www.chaupaisahib.com

The British were the main agents in shortening Kabiyo Bach Benti Choupai (Chaupai Sahib) during their "British Raj" over India. The British sent a scout to Punjab to ascertain how many troops it would take to conquer the Punjab. The scout returned reporting that it would take all British troops in all of India to defeat the Punjab because the Sikhs have an inhuman bravery. Although Christian by religion they were willing to entertain that that the Sikhs derived power from their Banis, because of the unexplainable defeats in the past. It is said that one who reads Choupai Sahib is undefeatable. Choupai Sahib is the Bani for defeated ones enemies. This could be physical enemies like in the Guru's time, or it can be one's own vices. Through persistence and corruption the British managed not to directly conquer the Sikhs, but they accomplished something even more devastating. They were able to infiltrate Sikh management and compromise the daily 5 Banis. They were able to shorten Choupai Sahib and take off the last 2 pauris claiming that they are optional. The claim modern day Sikh leaders and intellectuals have is, "In modern times Sikhs don't have the time to read as many Banis as they used to". Another argument is that "Chaupai Sahib goes on and on in the Sri Dasam Granth so we have to stop somewhere." This is misleading because, as explained in detail below, we are talking about cutting a continuous portion of the Bani. Neither argument seems valid being that the last 2 pauris are only 4 lines and take about 15 seconds to read by a familiar practitioner. The fact is that the last 2 pauris have never been left out until recent history.

The British influence went to the extent of affecting Sikh management authorities, and printers. Nowadays, it may be difficult to find a Gutka with the entire Chaupai Sahib, and most Sikhs are not even aware that there are 27 pauris. The only NitNems (Gutkas) that have the entire Chaupai Sahib are printed by independent groups like Nihangs and Taksals. Under the leadership of the late Baba Santa Singh, printing presses were started to print "Nihang Gutkas", which are actually just the same Bania that were always practiced by the Nihangs. The duty of the Taksals are to take preserve the correct pronunciation and practice of the Banis. They print Nitnems with the entire Chaupai Sahib. The Nihangs never compromised to the British even in the face of extinction, and the Taksals have preserved the correct way of doing Banis since the Guru's time.

The British's strategy of 'Divide and Rule' went further than the shortening of Chaupai Sahib. Between 1922 and 1926 there was a puppet management committee set up by the British, who were set out to destroy the traditions. During this time, the (1) Mul Mantar was shortened to exclude 'Ad Sach, Jugad Sach...'. The Mul Mantar until "Gur Prasad' is known as the Maha Mantar, but the Mul Mantar always ends with 'Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach'. Maha Mantar is what God said to Guru Nanak, and the salok after Jap was what Guru Nanak said back. (2) The Raag Mala has debated and made optional. (3) Choupai Sahib was shortened, and (4) the "choti Anand Sahib" was altered. The first 5 pauris of Anand Sahib was included in Bhai Daya Singh's rehit nama when making Karah Prasad, but not 6. There isn't any reference where the last pauri (step) is placed after the first couple as if to assume that the whole Bani was completed, however this has become common practice. In the rehet is an abbreviation not a rearrangement. Now we can find "Nitnems" which do not contain the entire Anand Sahib at all, rather there is the first 5 and the 40th pauris of Anand Sahib. The intention being that if we just read the first 5 and the 40th then we can say Anand Sahib is done, and the complete Bani will be taken out of practice entirely.

The British took steps to eliminate the Sri Dasam Granth and all Banis contained within it. That would include Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Savaiye, Choupai Sahib, (3 of the 5 Banis of the Amrit ceremony) and Ardas. They outlawed the Kirpan, and Sikhs started splitting their Kangas and hiding a symbolic Kirpan inside. The British also un popularized Bana, because they didn't want Sikhs to have a strong identity. At one point Nihang Singhs were being persecuted by virtue of wearing Bana and gol dastara (round turbans). They were perceived as threats to the British infiltration because they were likely to fight back. Anyone wearing Bana and or a round turban would be picked up by British officers and 'taken away.' The British had killed all but 500 Nihangs and almost eliminated this denomination of Sikhism, the holders of the warrior spirit (see video). Nihang Singhs used to be a nomadic Gurdwara management group and now they live mostly secluded from mainstream Sikhism and from positions of power. Previous to the British occupation, the Sri Dasam Granth used to be in many Gurdwaras along side the Siri Guru Granth Sahib, and now it is mostly seen in Nihang villages and online, not to mention the many debates about it's authenticity. It is surprising that the British command is still being upheld today in the Sri Harimandir Sahib; the 'jakara' (warrior yell) was disallowed during the British rule, and the management still does not do a jakara after the Ardas in the Hari Mandir Sahib (although it is not prohibited to volunteers on other parts of the complex). Martial aspects of Sikhism have become mostly symbolic in modern times. The overall goal was to make Sikhism as a strictly Bakti (devotional) religion instead of the Shakti/Bakti (power/devotion) balance which it always had. With the Bir Ras (warrior spirit) Banis compromised, the Sikh identity disappearing, and martial aspects becoming purely symbolic the British had their way to control Sikhism. Then it was a matter of bribery, intimidation and manipulation of Sikh leaders to create a new 'modern Sikhism'.

Teja Singh Bhasauria was an employee of the British Government. He was given a School and funding to finance both the school and a printing press by the British. He intended to change Gurbani as directed to him by his British employees and his own ideas that were against the Hindu religion or any association to Hinduism in Gurbani. This has been recorded in history both by Prof sahib Singh, and by the fact that a Hukamnama ex-communicated him from the Akal Takht.

One of his associates Giani Kartar Singh Kalaswalia was the head Granthi of Sri Harimandir Sahib. It was during his term of seva that the Chaupai and Dohira were removed. Teja Singh's son Ran Singh, wrote Dasam Granth Nirney in 1919, in which he claims that another Bani starts after the 25th pauri - Dustt dokh tay layho bachaaee. This is untrue. This is the first reference to the short Chaupai Sahib. Before this time there has not been discovered any reference of anything but the full Chaupai Sahib.

The one thing that is very striking about this history is for the first time in Sikh history the Banis have been compromised. Until the British Raj, Sikhs had given their lives to preserve every word of the Siri Guru Granth Sahib and the Siri Dasam Granth. There are many Sikh issues today; lack of leadership, terrorism backlash, women's seva issues. Amongst all issues Sikhs could always go to the Shabad Guru knowing that it was exactly how the Gurus wrote it with Their own Hands. This is one thing that stands out about Choupai Sahib. Every Sikh knows the importance of the Shabad Guru being preserved. Guru Har Rai, who was so gentle that he couldn't even harm a flower, disowned his own son for changing one word of the Adi Granth. Now a full 2 pauris have been taken out of Sikh daily practice. There are ripe complaints amongst Sikhs that the overall Panth is not united, Sikh leaders are corrupt, Sikh youth are leaving their roots, etc. This could be because some of the fundamental practices have been compromised. Bana, Bani, Simran, Seva, and Shastar were given by Guru Gobind Singh so that Sikhs could have his blessing and his spirit against all odds. Now Bana is mostly out of practice and Bani has been shortened.

It is important to note that we are not talking about the rearranging of different sections of Banis, but the cutting off of pauris from one continuous Bani. Lets compare it with Rehiras Sahib. Rehiras Sahib as a whole has been rearranged throughout time and depending on which Jetha is promoting which version. Some Nihang versions are much longer than most versions, but no version ends So Purakh before its last pauri. We all know that Tav Prasad Savaiye has 10 pauris and Anand Sahib has 40 pauris. To take off the last 2 pauris of Choupai Sahib could be compared to taking off the last 2 pauris of Japji Sahib; ending at the 36th pauri (instead of the full 38) and then reading the Slok. Even in modern times it is difficult to justify this kind of amendment to Guru Gobind Singhs 5 Banis.

The common practice is to jump from the 25th pauri to the Savaiye. After the obvious conclusions drawn from the history we know to read up to the 27th pauri. So what comes after that? Different groups practice Chaupai Sahib differently. Some versions have a lot of the part of Sri Dasam Granth that follows Chaupai as it's written. For the average practitioner, several Babas have made it clear that the Arril must be read. More than that, it is customary to read the Savaiye and Dohra to finish the Bani. Savaiye and Dohra are complete titles that are compiled onto Choupai from another part of the Sri Dasam Granth. This is similar to Rehiras where we have Shabads from different places in the Siri Guru Granth put together to make the Rehiras. Please note that we are not taking only parts of a complete section. The complete sections of Chaupai Sahib are as follows:

1) Kabiyo Bach Benti Chaupai
2) Arril and Chaupai (which follows Benti Chaupai as written in the Sri Dasam Granth. These short stanzas act as a conclusion to this Bani before the Zafarnama)
3) Savaiye and Dohra (compiled from an earlier section of Sri Dasam Granth)

Some modern day Sikhs refute the Sri Dasam Granth for its many references to Hindu mythology. This is surprising because the Siri Guru Granth Sahib has many references of the same. So why was it cut after the 25th pauri instead of any other place? It could be because the 26th pauri references 'Jag Mata' (Mother of the World) which could be confused as Hindu goddess worship. Whereas, Guru Ji is using the Mother analogy as one of the many aspects of God. At the end of Japji Sahib, Guruji refers to 'Mata Dharat' - Mother of the World. In this instance the Guru has decided to represent God through the feminine creative aspect.

It is said that the end and beginning have the most power in any given composition. The last 2 pauris of Chaupai Sahib contain a lot of power. The first 25 pauris are asking God's blessings, and the last 2 are very affirmative of owning the blessings. In the last line Guru Gobind Singh gives his guarantee to the reader:

[Man ba(n)chhat phal pavai soee. Dukh na tisai biaapat koee. (27)
He will obtain the fruit desired by the mind (who will read or listen to this book) and no suffering will occur to him. (27)]

Let us take the Guru's blessing by keeping the seal of the last 2 pauris and experience the power that it gives. 

Comments

Rawel

Rawel Singh Url:sadhsangat.com Lakhwinder Singh Ji, Where did you learn from that Sri Guru Granth Sahib contains different granths which were put together. And what are those granths please. No, SGGS was initially compiled after due authentication by Guru Arjan and then brought to final form by Guru Gobind Singh. Have you heard any questions being raised on the authenticity of the contents of SGGS and if so what are they? Now please answer the questions I requested you on Chaupai and Aril.

rawel singh ji Please read

rawel singh ji

Please read what i wrote about SGGS ji. i did not write what you are trying to project here. Read my relevant post and point out where i wrote what you are writing.

There was no dispute about Dasam Granth also in sikh history. If you have found some give us refrences here.

What exactly you want about chaupai sahib. You have been told everything you asked.

Composition of Baanis

Rawel Singh Url:sadhsangat.com Lakhwinder Singh Ji, How do you justify Charitropakhayan being a Granth? A granth is always a complete scripture and that is why the Dasam Granth is described as such. You cannot have a granth in a granth. The way you have described individual entities with some of them having dates etc would show that Dasam Granth is not one granth but different compositions put together. This is what the detractors of Dasam Granth say. So please be sure of what you say. Chaupai forms part of Chritropakhayan so when if , as you say, it was completed, then why does Aril talk only of reading Chaupai? The only thing it can mean is that Chaupai is different from the rest of Chritropakhyan which may be ignored. Or do you have a different explanation?

Some people cannot accept logic so they form their own.

Rawel Singh Ji, Sat Sri Akal. It sure makes one very uneasy, but one has to believe that some people simply cannot accept logic so they form their own. Anybody who does not accept their point of view, becomes ant-pantic, anti-sikh and is called names. I am afraid Mr. Lakhwinder Singh is also one such person as per my observation. (With due apologies) You may try and give any explanation it will make no difference.

Gur kookar ji

Gur kookar ji

you have exposed yourself already. You do not accept bani of tenth master. Do not talk by jumping on the shoulders of others. Let me know what is your logic? You are yet to give me any information yet. Please do not play a missionary style hide and seek. Read my posts and reply to those.

Composition of Baanis

Rawel Singh Url:sadhsangat.com Lakhwinder Singh Ji, How do you justify Charitropakhayan being a Granth? A granth is always a complete scripture and that is why the Dasam Granth is described as such. You cannot have a granth in a granth. The way you have described individual entities with some of them having dates etc would show that Dasam Granth is not one granth but different compositions put togethet. This what the detractors of Dasam Granth say. So please be sure of what you say. Chaupai forms part of Chritropakhayan so when if , as you say, it was completed, then why does Aril talk only of reading Chaupai? The only thing it can mean is that Chaupai is different from the rest of Chritropakhyan which may be ignored. Or do you have different explanation?

rawel singh ji What was aad

rawel singh ji

What was aad Granth? Was it not the same before different compositions of Gurus ,bhagats and Bhatts were put together. The same logic is applicable here? Have you any reply for that?

In my opinion those who have

In my opinion those who have raed Dasam Granth will not ask the question about completion of Granth. Dasam Granth have different compositions startin from Jaap sahib and ending with Hikayats. Some of the compositions have date, day and place of completion. Completion of Granth means completion of Charitropakhayan.

Second question: Why so worry about aril. For example many charitars have different dohras , chhands etc. The emphasis should be on theme. Does aril change Chaupai sahib thematically? If so then let us know.

Harmandir sahib before 1925

Harmandir sahib before 1925 was under the control of Sarabrah who was appointed by British Deputy commissioner of Amritsar. Shriomani commiittee was formed in 1925.

This article is about Chaupai sahib and its authenticity is to be proved by the internal evidence in Charitropakhayan composition of Dasam granth. Per that what the author states is 100 percent correct. So detractors of Dasam bani will not like this article. They have hardly any knowledge of Dasam Granth.They will put one or the other lame excuses against Chaupai sahib.

Can harmanpreet singh prove what is pro mahant in CHAUPAI SAHIB a divine composition of tenth master?

lakhwinder singh ji

dear i accept shri dasm granth sahib ji as uncomparable ,most beautiful work of our father . but writer of the article is baised ie sure

HARMANPREET SINGH JI I want

HARMANPREET SINGH JI

I want a reply from so called sikh scholar Rawel singh as to what methodolgy he has adopted to dispute compositions of tenth master. Or just from the top of his head he is making statements. Did he reasearch manuscripts or was it from internal evidence?

Rawel

Rawel Singh Url:sadhsangat.com In my post I had asked two questions from the writer of the article; the meaning of completion of thr granth and secondly about Aril. Instead of answering the questions I am being asked questions. It is the duty of the writer to clarify and I hope it will be done. I will then respond.

harmanpreet singh ji Biased

harmanpreet singh ji

Biased against whom? He is telling us the entirety of Chaupai sahib. There is nothing wrong with chaupai sahib verses that have been left out.

Dasam Granth has never gone in the hand of Brahmins. It was under the patronage of Dal Khalsa after Guru ji.
Some aanti sikh elements have made it their profession to ridicule bani of tenth master without using any methodolgy and without reading it. The real problem sikhs are facing today that some thugs are out to instigate ignorant sikhs to disown their heritage. Once they do that there will be nothing left of sikhism.

I AGREE WITH RAWEL SINGH JI

IN ABOVE QUOTES WRITER SAYS <<<<. Between 1922 and 1926 there was a puppet management committee set up by the British, who were set out to destroy the traditions >>>>>>>

THIS SHOWS THE BAISED NATURE OF WRITER , 1922-26 WAS TIME WHEN GURUDWARS SUCH AS SHRI DARBAR SAHIB AMRITSAR , TARAN TARAN SAHIB , PANJA SAHIB , NANKANA SAHIBAND MANY MORE FREED FROM CLUTHES OF RAPIST MAHANTS BY KHALSA PANTH ,
WRITER SEEMS TO BE MAHANT OR MAHANT FOLLOWER AND THIS ARTICLE IS PROPAGANDA AGAINST SIKH PANTH .

FATEH JIYO

Composition of Baanis

Rawel Singh Url:sadhsangat.com The contents of the article above are not based on facts. In addition to those in respect of the Chaupai other statements have also been made. To start with it should be known that Sikh Reht Maryada which lays down what Baanis are to form part of Nitnem were decided after prolonged consideration by the learned and devoted people of the Panth. From what is said in the article one wonders if they are all being accused of being British agents. The writer needs to prove this or apologize. It has been stated that the Mool Mantar includes the lines after Japu i.e. Aadi Sach---- Nanak hosee Bhi sach. The writer needs to state what is the significance of 'Japu'. Well it is the name of the composition that follows. Any other meaning needs to be explained. The writer also needs to explain how the Mool Mantar has been called Maha Mantar. Let us please see what this means. It would mean there are many mantras and this the biggest of them. Do we believe that? No there are no mantras for us. A question would then be asked doesn't the Mool Mantar convey the same thing? No it does not. Mool means 'root' which has bloomed to be Sri Guru Granth Sahib (SGGS) and is elucidation of the Mool Mantar. Mool Mantar is the prologue which says what the whole scripture talks about, the Creator with the virtues enumerated in it. A doubt has also been sought to be created about Rehras Sahib. It has been stated that the baanis have collected from the scripture and compiled by someone. The writer probably does not know that Guru arjan Sahib has not left this individual whims. He did us the favor of compiling the Rehras Baanis and putting them immediately after Jap Ji. The only parts put in later are the Mundaavi and Slok M: 5 which mark the end of Guru Shabads on page 1429 0f SGGS.. There is a significance of this also in that it means that nothing is to be recited after these. So Reharas Sahib starts with Sodar and ends with Slok M: 5, nothing before or after. The additions of the tenth Gurus Baanis do not fall under this because they do not form part of SGGS. Now about the Chaupai ending as laid down. I request the writer to explain the meaning of the Granth being completed and how it is relevant to the rest of the Chaupai? The answer will be clear. And if the Granth has already been completed why does 'Aril' come after that? Guru Rakha

Chaupai sahib is there in

Chaupai sahib is there in rehras sahib and that is the reason sikhs are reading it. Contemporary sikh literature of Guru sahib's time testify that verses from Chaupai sahib were recited by Guru sahib during his diwans when sikhs were in attendance. Parchain sewa Das , bhat vahis and rehatnamas confirm that. Compositions of Guru is bani whether included in SGGS or not.

There is a continuation of verses in Chaupai sahib after verse 401 to 405. Aril is verse 404. That does not mean that it cannot be part of chaupai sahib. Lastly there are four lines that confirms the date, day and place where this composition was completed. It is the same way as some other compositions of Dasam granth sahib. Dasam Granth has different compositions and those were written at different times and different places.The date of completion of Charitropakhayan whose part is chaupai sahib is also given in Chaupa singh's rehatnama.

Likewise there are many verses in SGGS that come twice. They are identical in writing but writers are different. Can anyone explain why it is so.

It is in Reharas Sahib because of R. maryada.

Lakhwinder Singh Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Chaupai is part of Reharas Sahib because of Rehat Maryada compromise which came into being for the unity of the Panth. That's why sikhs are reading it. But alas! now the Bacchittar Natak/DG supporters are flouting the Sikh Rehat Maryada also. I agree with Harman Preet Singh "THIS SHOWS THE BAISED NATURE OF WRITER , 1922-26 WAS TIME WHEN GURUDWARS SUCH AS SHRI DARBAR SAHIB AMRITSAR , TARAN TARAN SAHIB , PANJA SAHIB , NANKANA SAHIBAND MANY MORE FREED FROM CLUTHES OF RAPIST MAHANTS BY KHALSA PANTH , WRITER SEEMS TO BE MAHANT OR MAHANT FOLLOWER AND THIS ARTICLE IS PROPAGANDA AGAINST SIKH PANTH ." Further please take help of someone to comprehend S Rawel Singh Ji's text and then try replying it. For me this article is a poor attempt to equate the controversial content of Bachhitar Natak/DG with the Gurbani of SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB by citing out of context similarties. The writer is trying to mislead and neds to apologize.

Shame!

Satnam Anand, your pathetic attempt on every occasion to call Sri Dasam Granth as Bachittar Natak Granth proves that you have no knowledge of the structure of the compositions within Sri Dasam Granth. Forget about knowing the meaning of the contents inside it. First go and open Sri Dasam Granth and find out what Bachittar Natak Granth is and how it is different from Sri Dasam Granth.

One step at a time. Decipher this first, then enter into any debate on the content of the Granth.

Dont rant the same thing that your 'masters' (kala afghana, darshan ragi) have attempted and failed.

You dont deserve to use 'Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh'. Find out where it originates from!

Its you and your kala afghana gang that needs to apologise to the Guru Sahib for denigrating his rachna

Chaupai Sahib been there from the beginning

A complete lie and fabrication...Chaupai Sahib as always been part of liturgical texts since the early 18th century. After the Sri Dasam Granth was completed then after the Bhai Mani Singh bir was completed which combined both Granths a series of smaller pothis containing the Chaupai Sahib and other Sri Dasam Granth banis were always there. The Nitnem banis can be seen in these pothis and Gutkas come from the early 18th century. The SRM just fixed what they thought to be right since that time the readers of Sri Dasam Granth banis has not wavered, it is only modern Sikhs who have no knowledge of their past that question these important facts. The Sri Dasam Granth was being prakashed at Akal Takht and some objectors through it out, the Nihangs at the time stated they have taken our Guru. The tensions between the then SGPC and the Nihangs worsened since that time. The article is correct in saying that the readers and intrepreters of the Scriptures have maintained that real tradition of reading the Chaupai Sahib in tact as opposed to the limb chopping exercise of modern Sikhs.

Those who criticize Dasam

Those who criticize Dasam granth are biggest enemies of sikh panth. Their contention that Dasam granth was not there till British brought it is a white lie. This is debunked by the painting of an austrian painter shown above.This is also debunked by Charles malcom writing in his books " Sketch of sikhs". The relevant extract is given below

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Note: The following is an excerpt from a book, Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab, written by Sir John Malcolm* in 1812. John Malcolm’s work is one of the rarest firsthand information recorded by a western historian on the lifestyle, belief systems and traditions of the Sikhs in Punjab during the 18th century .

Guru-mata

When Gurmata or great national council, is called, (as it always is, or ought to be, when any imminent danger threatens the country, or any large expedition is to be undertaken) all the Sikh chiefs assemble at Amritsar. The assembly, which is called the Guru-mata, is convened by the Acalis; and when the chiefs meet upon this solemn occasion, it is concluded that all private animosities cease, and that every main sacrifices his personal feelings at the shrine of the general good; and, actuated by principles of pure patriotism, thinks of nothing but the interests of the religion, and commonwealth, to which he belongs.

When the chiefs and principal leaders are seated, the Adi-Granth and Dasama Padshah ka Granth are placed before them. They all bend their heads before these scriptures, and exclaim, Wa! Guruji ka Khalsa! Wa! Guruji ki Fateh! A great quantity of cakes, made of wheat, butter, and sugar, are then placed before the volumes of their sacred writings, and covered with a cloth. These holy cakes, which are in commemoration of the injunction of Nanac, to eat and to give to others to eat, next receive the salutation of the assembly, who then rise, and the Acalis pray aloud, while the musicians play. The Acalis, then the prayers are finished, desire the council to be seated. They sit down, and the cakes being uncovered, are eaten of by all classes of Sikhs: those distinctions of original tribes, which are, on occasions, kept up, being on this occasion laid aside, in token of their general and complete union in one cause. The Acalis then exclaim: "Sirdars! (Chiefs) this is Guru-mata!" on which prayers are again said aloud. The chiefs, after this sit closer, and say to each other: "The sacred Granth is betwixt us, let us swear by our scripture to forget all internal disputes, and to be united." This moment of religious fervor and ardent patriotism, is taken to reconcile all animosities. They then proceed to consider the danger with whcih they are threatened, to settle the best plans for averting it, and to choose the generals who are to lead their armies against the common enemy. The first Guru-mata was assembled by Guru Govinid; and the latest was called in 1805, when the British army pursued Holkar into the Penjab.

(pages. 120-123)

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*Sir John Malcolm (May 2, 1769 ‑ 1833) was a Scottish soldier, statesman, and historian. He held various distinguished posts, being Ambassador to Persia, Resident of Gwalior (1803-1804) and Governor of Bombay 1827-1830. He was the author of several valuable works regarded as authorities, viz., Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab (1812), A History of Persia (1815), Memoir of Central India (1823), Political History of India from 1784 to 1823 (1826), and Life of Lord Clive( 1836)

Satnam anand ji Slander of

Satnam anand ji

Slander of Dasam Granth bani is the real issue of people who want to criticize this article.

Where were you so far? I am waiting for your reply. You were to show me wherein Dasam granth Hindu Devi and Devatas are venerated. You only know how to write derogatory about Dasam bani without having read it.

The same thing is here. You have no clue what is written in Chaupai sahib? Show me where it negates sikh teachings. If not stop propagating yellow jounalism of touts of congress such as spokesman and kala afghana sect.

Thank you for Great Information!

This is great information and helps Sikhs like me who never had the opportunity to learn anything Sikhi and connect better with Guru thru Gurbani and keep puratan Sikh traditions. The problem is that many Sikhs don't even read Japji let alone 5 or 7 banis and whatever is done in the household becomes the Sikh tradition, wrong or right. And, even many who read it either don't understand it themselves or just don't know how to explain it or pass it on to the next generation in Gurdwaras. I feel this is a big handicap since many of us get so tied up in reciting and finishing a particular bani than actually understanding just a one tuk really good, a small portion of the bani and don't worry about finishing the whole bani. Also, please! please! please! let us use this type of information and other articles on history and tradition, get together as a Sikh panth and right all of the wrongs that have been done by British or by Sikhs or by Hindus or Muslims or whoever else in the past and print the banis as our Gurus had intended and bring back the traditions of bana and banis Gurus had started. I think Sikh bana has many forms such as Nihang chola, Kurta pajama etc. It seems hard and I am no expert and don't have the same courage as many Gursikhs have in changing things and doing things right, but it needs to be done. It takes a lot of courage, will and committment to change old bad habits and hopefully there will be many brave Gursikhs who will take on this task of making banis and keeping traditions right. They are my true role models and true brave leaders of the Sikh panth! I guess we have to "Become the change that we want to see!" I hope one day Waheguru will give me and Sikh Panth enough courage to wear full bana and recite correct banis! Satnam

Bharat Vir singh ji

Bharat Vir singh ji

Tying of beard was started by Maharaja sher singh. There is a painting by a visitng french tourist who had met Maharaja in 1842 and drawn his sketch.

Just Sikh ji

Maryada of Harmandir sahib is as old as Harmandir sahib. When Bhai mani singh ji was appointed incharge of Harmandir sahib, he had put this maryada in written form. Only slander brigade of kala afghana supported by missionaries are raising questions without knowing the depth of sikh traditions.

A very good article

Thankyou for a very informative and eye-opening article on the misapropriation of Gurbani and maryada by the British.May I add that among other things,the British also introduced the fixing,tying up,threading and hiding,pressing of the glorious full beard of the Sikhs.Sadly this practice exists today,and it certainly creates a lasting schism in the Sikh's personality because it creates a split-personlity - one part the full Parkash beard(open flowing beard)version,and the second pressed,fixed or tied-up beard version.I call the latter as 'hiding the beard'.In my opinion style of turban doesn't matter.It can be any - round,peaked,Indian,Patialvi,East African,Malaysian,Dumala,Nihang,etc etc.Sikh identity is determined only by 5 Kakaars.Rest is cultural,regional or dress specific,and personal choice.

Interesting

I do not think it is hiding the beard. Every body still can see the beard. It just convinience as beard comes in way while performing certain jobs. I know a friend who worked as cook and almost got his beard burned and now ties it.

British created the khanda kirpan insgnia of sikhs and this very insignia is on the nishan sahib at every gurdwara including at akhal tkhat sahib. Earlier khanda was separate and circle (chakkar) was seperate. Then khanda was shown on top of circle (chakkar). British designed the current isgnia sort of balanced for sikh army and every body adopted it. There is article on it on sikhnet. These things happens over the time and fortunately or unfortunately becomes part and parcel of our life. In the above article history is qouted to highlight this issue. Some historians say that maryada at Shri Harminder Sahib is based on the book Gubilash Patshai 6. It is proved that book is not written by sixth guru and was later written in 17th centuri. Even SGPC has banned this book after facts came out. But did maryada at Harmandir Sahib changed?

Do you think what happens in Amritsar today is same as it was 300 years ago. It is even different from 50 years ago.

What matters most is sikhi way of living, sikh ethics and sikh principles. They are the same,question is whether you follow them or not. Rest all is Maya and kand karams.

Bhul chuck maaf. These are my thoughts as I see every day people making decison based on our outer appearance and pass judgenments but sikh is with in.

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"I do not think it is hiding the beard. Every body still can see the beard. It just convinience as beard comes in way while performing certain jobs. I know a friend who worked as cook and almost got his beard burned and now ties it."

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The above is a ridiculous comment. There are people in every professions of life who do not tie their beards. Can you give the place where this happened.

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