Japji Sahib - Pauri 7

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Japji Sahib - Pauri 7

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I need to know what is meant when Guru Nanak Dev refers to Nine Continents in Pauri 7 of Japji Sahib, this being;

Je Jug Chaare Aarja, Hor Dasuni Hoye
Navan Khanda Vich Janiye Naal Chale Sabh Koye

Even if you could live throughout the four ages, or even ten times more,
and even if you were known throughout the nine continents and followed by all,

WHY make reference to nine continents, when there are 7 known continents.

Any help or clarity on this would help.

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Khand can also mean territory or spiritual realm. But the main gist is that those spiritual or temporal places where you haven't been to and seen, will know you.
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Thanks for the reply bhai sahib but what is meant by reference to 9 khand - which 9?
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navan khandaan which jaaniea
firstly it is [poetry. it is balanced. to write seven khand; it does not balalce. secondly it is the general sense to let people know that it is more than seven khands to exegerate means the entire world or the entire universe.
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ਨਉ ਸਤ ਚਉਦਹ ਤੀਨਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਹਲਤਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ (SGGS)
The nine regions, the seven continents, the fourteen worlds, the three qualities and the four ages - You established them all through the four sources of creation, and You seated them in Your mansions.

ਜਿਹ ਅੰਡਹ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਰਚਿਓ ॥ ਦਿਸ ਚਾਰ ਕਰੀ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ਸਚਿਓ ॥ (Dasam Granth)
He hath Created the Universe out of he Comic Egg. He hath Created forteen worlds and nine regions.

From the first stanza, if you read the actual shabad, it goes like Nau Satt Choudah Teen Chaar (9,7, 14, 3, 4) and Guru doesn't talk about any region or continent or world. Guru plays with numbers. We in our translation give those nouns to the counts.

Sikh cares about a single number (IK) or ONE. For all numbers are made from ONE like 3=1+1+1. There is just One Lord, we might see 'divisions' of this Universe, but in the end it is just One Lord, Ik Onkar. Remember my friend, this counting and finding worlds, regions and realms will not help you. Guru wants you to remember One Lord. Who has Created everything. Tomorrow you will die and realize this world was a dream. It wouldn't matter then if solar system has 9 planets or 19.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh
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WHY make reference to nine continents, when there are 7 known continents.
Guru Sahib used prevalent beliefs in Gurbani to make a point and address common folks. If you read the whole Pauri, it becomes clear what Guru Nanak is referring to. Nine continents are based on Hindu mythology which believes that Brahma was the Creator of the Universe and Earth. It is divided into 4 corners, 7 Islands and 9 regions (translation incorrectly calls them continents). There are 10 directions per this belief. Also, he is the Creator of four Yugas mentioned in earlier lines. Per Hindu beliefs, each yuga lasts several million years. What Guru Nanak is describing here is futility of human desires to be known, being famous and live long life. Guru Ji states that even if you could live the age of 4 yougas, or ten times that and even if you were known and famous across 9 regions of the Earth, it's futile without Creator's grace. Hope that helps!

ਜੇ ਜੁਗ ਚਾਰੇ ਆਰਜਾ ਹੋਰ ਦਸੂਣੀ ਹੋਇ ॥
jae jug chaarae aarajaa hor dhasoonee hoe ||
Even if you could live throughout the four ages, or even ten times more,

ਨਵਾ ਖੰਡਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਨਾਲਿ ਚਲੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥
navaa kha(n)ddaa vich jaaneeai naal chalai sabh koe ||
and even if you were known throughout the nine continents and followed by all,

ਚੰਗਾ ਨਾਉ ਰਖਾਇ ਕੈ ਜਸੁ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਜਗਿ ਲੇਇ ॥
cha(n)gaa naao rakhaae kai jas keerath jag laee ||
with a good name and reputation, with praise and fame throughout the world-

ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਤ ਵਾਤ ਨ ਪੁਛੈ ਕੇ ॥
jae this nadhar n aavee th vaath n pushhai kae ||
still, if the Lord does not bless you with His Glance of Grace, then who cares? What is the use?
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Re: Japji Sahib - Pauri 7

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nsinghgill wrote:Thanks for the reply bhai sahib but what is meant by reference to 9 khand - which 9?
kjsinghhyd wrote:ਨਉ ਸਤ ਚਉਦਹ ਤੀਨਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਹਲਤਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ (SGGS)
The nine regions, the seven continents, the fourteen worlds, the three qualities and the four ages - You established them all through the four sources of creation, and You seated them in Your mansions.
If you are interested to know names of these 9 khands then a list of names of 14 loks, 7 continents and 9 khands is available on net.
Please search using google.
These names come from ancient Indian mythology mentioned in Puranas.

There is a earlier thread on this subject also.
viewtopic.php?p=18068

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kjsinghhyd wrote:ਨਉ ਸਤ ਚਉਦਹ ਤੀਨਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਹਲਤਿ ਚਾਰਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ (SGGS)
The nine regions, the seven continents, the fourteen worlds, the three qualities and the four ages - You established them all through the four sources of creation, and You seated them in Your mansions.

ਜਿਹ ਅੰਡਹ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਰਚਿਓ ॥ ਦਿਸ ਚਾਰ ਕਰੀ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ਸਚਿਓ ॥ (Dasam Granth)
He hath Created the Universe out of he Comic Egg. He hath Created forteen worlds and nine regions.

From the first stanza, if you read the actual shabad, it goes like Nau Satt Choudah Teen Chaar (9,7, 14, 3, 4) and Guru doesn't talk about any region or continent or world. Guru plays with numbers. We in our translation give those nouns to the counts.

Sikh cares about a single number (IK) or ONE. For all numbers are made from ONE like 3=1+1+1. There is just One Lord, we might see 'divisions' of this Universe, but in the end it is just One Lord, Ik Onkar. Remember my friend, this counting and finding worlds, regions and realms will not help you. Guru wants you to remember One Lord. Who has Created everything. Tomorrow you will die and realize this world was a dream. It wouldn't matter then if solar system has 9 planets or 19.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh
SGGS Page 302, Line 9
ਜਿਨ ਜਪਿਆ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਇਕ ਚਿਤਿ ਤਿਨ ਲਥਾ ਹਉਮੈ ਭਾਰੁ ॥
जिन जपिआ इक मनि इक चिति तिन लथा हउमै भारु ॥
Jin japi▫ā ik man ik cẖiṯ ṯin lathā ha▫umai bẖār.
Those who chant and meditate on Him, who single-mindedly focus their consciousness on Him, are rid of the burden of their ego.

SGGS Page 387, Line 18
ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
आसा महला ५ ॥
Āsā mėhlā 5.
Aasaa, Fifth Mehl:

ਆਪੇ ਪੇਡੁ ਬਿਸਥਾਰੀ ਸਾਖ ॥
आपे पेडु बिसथारी साख ॥
Āpe ped bisthārī sākẖ.
He Himself is the tree, and the branches extending out.

ਅਪਨੀ ਖੇਤੀ ਆਪੇ ਰਾਖ ॥੧॥
अपनी खेती आपे राख ॥१॥
Apnī kẖeṯī āpe rākẖ. ||1||
He Himself preserves His own crop. ||1||

ਜਤ ਕਤ ਪੇਖਉ ਏਕੈ ਓਹੀ ॥
जत कत पेखउ एकै ओही ॥
Jaṯ kaṯ pekẖa▫o ekai ohī.
Wherever I look, I see that One Lord alone.

ਘਟ ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
घट घट अंतरि आपे सोई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Gẖat gẖat anṯar āpe so▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Deep within each and every heart, He Himself is contained. ||1||Pause||

ਆਪੇ ਸੂਰੁ ਕਿਰਣਿ ਬਿਸਥਾਰੁ ॥
आपे सूरु किरणि बिसथारु ॥
Āpe sūr kiraṇ bisthār.
He Himself is the sun, and the rays emanating from it.

ਸੋਈ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਸੋਈ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
सोई गुपतु सोई आकारु ॥२॥
So▫ī gupaṯ so▫ī ākār. ||2||
He is concealed, and He is revealed. ||2||

ਸਰਗੁਣ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਥਾਪੈ ਨਾਉ ॥
सरगुण निरगुण थापै नाउ ॥
Sarguṇ nirguṇ thāpai nā▫o.
He is said to be of the highest attributes, and without attributes.

ਦੁਹ ਮਿਲਿ ਏਕੈ ਕੀਨੋ ਠਾਉ ॥੩॥
दुह मिलि एकै कीनो ठाउ ॥३॥
Ḏuh mil ekai kīno ṯẖā▫o. ||3||
Both converge onto His single point. ||3||

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਭਉ ਖੋਇਆ ॥
कहु नानक गुरि भ्रमु भउ खोइआ ॥
Kaho Nānak gur bẖaram bẖa▫o kẖo▫i▫ā.
Says Nanak, the Guru has dispelled my doubt and fear.

ਅਨਦ ਰੂਪੁ ਸਭੁ ਨੈਨ ਅਲੋਇਆ ॥੪॥੧੭॥੬੮॥
अनद रूपु सभु नैन अलोइआ ॥४॥१७॥६८॥
Anaḏ rūp sabẖ nain alo▫i▫ā. ||4||17||68||
With my eyes, I perceive the Lord, the embodiment of bliss, to be everywhere. ||4||17||68||
~Guru Ram Das~

Well said, however this would really be the true equation ONE=(3=1+1+1) the way you expressed it is still incorrect... yet the way I expressed it is still an illusion, there is no THREE nor individual ones.... there is only The ONE and all things are contained within it.... so in reality you and I mean or should say.... ONE=ONE.... Thus we receive the answer and really the truth of the one universe, ONE. The equals sign is even an illusion in The One for inequality does not exist within the ONE, such things are foreign to the Magnificant Lord. When we define all things as One in singularity, then and only then are we singleminded and well within the ONE, although we are always within the ONE.... Remember the Gurbani as well as other holy text, by the Guru's grace, gives you much opportunity to think in duality, yet steers you into singleminded meditation and thought. The Guru reveals such things to us and others so that even though one feels pious and holy, in reality we cannot and should not try to distinguish differences in such things within ourselves and others for such differences do not truly exist, and even if such things did, we could not define or devine such things, in the One Universe. We are to see God in every creation, thus all creation, in reality is pious and holy. As mentioned in the Gurbani above the One and singlemindness in thought and meditation is all there really is, the rest is an illusion...
http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurban ... am=english
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Re: Japji Sahib - Pauri 7

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Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
According to the Hindu scriptures known as Puranas, giving the mythical tales of gods and goddesses, describe the earth’s surface as consisting of seven islands (known as ‘Sapat Dweeps). Their names are: Jambu, Palak, Shalmal, Kush, Kronch, Shak, and Pushkar. Of these seven islands Jambu island consists of nine segments or nine Khands (not surrounded by water). Their names are: Illavrat, Ramayak, Hiranmay, Kuruvarash, Harivarsh, Kinpurash, Bharat, Bhadrashav, and Ketumal. So nine Khands definitely do not mean nine continents. Since the Hindu writers of Puranas during the first millinium AD were not aware of all the currently known continents. They were aware of only the Asia and may be few countries around east Mediterranean. From the list of these nine Khands one can only guess what it really represents. For instance Bharat obviously is Indian subcontinent. ‘Kinpurash’ is another name for Nepal. Illavarat is some area at the southern tip of the Indian subcontinent and is said to be to the south of Nilgiri hills of Tamilnadu. Sikh translators when trying to translate Nav Khand as nine continents obviously are stretching their imagination. They also try to put words into Guru ji’s mouth in their race to prove that Guru ji was referring to what is the current knowledge about the physical world such as the current geographical entities known as continents.
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SSA,

According to history and science, continents itself are evolving, from 1 to few to many.

I am wondering and completely lost why would someone reading those lines focus on the number of continents, Can you pls advise ?


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