This is number 14 in the SikhNet relationship series. Our couples panel talks about some of the cultural male chauvinism. Some women actually feel like a slave to her inlaws. The Khalsa broke these norms and started equality for women.
We must be very careful when we attack Muslims, both Muslims and Sikhs were massacred by Brahmins ,Shivitee Brahmins from Banares have been our worst enemy from the very beginning, Shivitee and Shakta Brahmins are experts in dividing society and putting them to spill each others blood , while they sit in the background and enjoy themselves. Sikhs, Muslims, and Christians were massacred by Banares Brahmins (Modern Followers of Shankararcharya.)
2% of Shivitee Brahmins control India, they also destroyed India. Do not forget Pakistan is the birth place of our Religion, its our Mecca, and every single Sikh on planet earth should kiss the sacred ground of Pakistan , Guru Nanak Dev Ji took birth in this Holly Land. We may not like the politics of Pakistan, but we must always see Pakistan as our Holiest place on the Planet. And pray for the welfare of Pakistan ,Brahmins hate Muslims because Muslims unlike any other monotheistic faith strongly condemn Demigod worshipping (Shirk) . We must condemn Evil Hindu Brahmins and NOT Pakistan, Demoniac Brahmins are a dying breed because of their hatred towards others. The reason for muslims having more than one wife, is that their husbands were killed in war, and Prophet Mohammed (Pease be upon Him) requested that those men who can take care of more than one wife, should have two wives. Its NOT a sex thing as Hindus would have you believe, It was a way of caring for the widows. Hindus Brahmins would have burned them alive, of through them out the house.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
I would like to point out a comment made by "lassi" and would like this opportunity to respond to it.
Lasst said: "Ranjit Ji, Gurus may have had arranged marriages but some of them also had 3, 4 wives which is not a practice in Sikhism"
First of all, I would appreciate if you base your comments on facts and also fully clarify and quantify what you mean by "some of them". Also, there are some references about Guru Gobind Singh ji having multiple wives but all are purely to misalign the sikh principles and justify the polygamy practices of Islam. None of the sikh gurus practiced polygamy and here is one article that shows the reason why some people are confused or take advantage of this situation to misalign the sikh way of life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mata_Sundari
Truly, if you think any of the Gurus were after women or married multiple times, then may waheguru bless you and show you the truth someday.
I have read a few completely baseless articles on the internet that even go this far to say that Guru Har Rai sahib ji had 7 wives. http://www.islamawareness.net/Polygamy/poly_nm_article0003.html Here is the aritcle that clearly shows how twisted minds will just make something up, and also misrepresent the gurbani to justify their practice. It is so ironic that the Shabad's mentioned in the above article are actually conveying a message that is completely opposite to the practice of polygamy.
Sikh gurus have given us a path that is based on fairness and equality among many other very important qualities. Do we still want to blindly trust people who are just saying anything about our gurus? Without even checking or knowing the facts?
Arranged marriage is good thing. Not a bad thing. It is what has kept us "indian" and prevented us from losing our identies. I know Sikhism preaches a universal brotherhood, but that does not mean our identity is not important. For example, Gurbani in any other language than Gurmukhi does not and cannot have the same "rass" - nectar that it should. Gurbani in another lanuguage than Punjabi does not have the same spiritual benefits. Obviously, Punjabi culture is married to Sikhism. And so it should be, after all, that is where it came to be.
I agree with the proposition of the previous post by Ranjit responding to Lassi, that the concept arranged marriage is not necessarily a tradition designed to surpress women.
One though i would like to add to this string after viewing the video, and that is just because a household maybe operatating in a fashion described in the video wherein the wife is cooking and the husband is not, does not mean that their is inequality in that house. If the duties in the house are shared, for example the husband has been given the chores of taking out the garbage, mowing the lawn, shovelling snow, amongst other duties, that is a result of what he is better suited to do. I wouldnt expect my wife to do rather difficult physical work as i am better suited to do it. Further, my wife is a great cook, and i not soo much. Just because a women does "womenly task" and a man does "manely task" does not indicate or dispaly inequality at all.
Speaking traditionally, going back to village life the household were organized in such a fashion because women were not suited plow the fields (not saying that they cannot do it), or suited do the physically demanding tasks required, where as the men who were stronger, hence better suited.
Throughout this response i continually refered to "better suited" solely for the reason not to detract from the womens ability to do it. In the event i needed surgery and i had the option of an intern or a surgeon, i would be going with the surgeon, as i think most of you would. Int he absence of the surgeon, intern is mroe than welcome.
Satwant Ji,
What you say about household i completely agree but arranged marriage is a separate thing.
Arranged marriage is not for supressing women. It is for supressing our youth which means we do not trust our own kids and that means we do not trust ourselves and the way we raise them up.
Many people want to control their children through their whole life even if those are much more aware and educated then them.
Another reason for arranged marriage is too keep casteism alive to separate people from each other and to divide humanity for "us" and "others" simply because we think we are better than them.
Ranjit Ji,
Gurus may have had arranged marriages but some of them also had 3, 4 wives which is not a practice in Sikhism.
They were Gurus and we are people. We are not here to copy their lives but to follow their teachings and that is not about arranged marriage.
Lassi ji...Wonderful deep insight in the life of 'Sikhs Today', felt very good to read your comments~. In the past the life style was different, in order to be a good man and women the requirements were different, requirement from society and family. The whole life family and personal values were different. Man and women required different level of intimacy and the meaning of family was different. Sex life was subtle and private. There were two categories everyone fell in good, and criminals. Most people were honest, hard working, respectful people. Today people hide behind unanimity of internet and blogs and say whatever. The accountability for one's word and actions is gone. Today, young Sikhs need to create a back bone and say no the cast system and stop their parents from using cast to find them a spouse. Our Great Guru Maharaj has abolished the plague of cast system so long ago. Great Gurus knew cast system is a base from which discrimination and prejudice operate and it is a hindrance in advancement in spiritual endeavors. It is a hindrance in recognizing fellow man for their character and what they can do instead of what cast family one belongs to. It is a hindrance in any spiritual advancement, in any religion. Sikhs need to look inside and see how much their self worth is defendant on their cast and try to see why is it so difficult for them to let go cast identity. In a way Sikhs are totally disregarding teaching to Great Guru Kalgidhar Patshaw when they start asking each others cast. Cast system has no base in these days. I find there are more people supposedly from lower cast are educated and kind and thus generally better Sikhs than those who like to belong to higher cast. They look at the wholeness in another person than what cast they belong to. They are hard working, peaceful and spiritual people. They are the one make up the majority in a Gurdwara and sit peacefully and love to sing along Gurbani. They love Gurbani and Guru loves them. It is not what knowledge one has but what one has become that counts to Guru. Love and Light. Satyajit Singh
Bhai, ignore this lassi lady. I have dealt with her before and she is twisted and confused. She might be one of these white Sikhs who think they are better than us Punjabis. The system of arranged marriages is a gift of the Indian culture and has allowed our race/religion to survive thousands of years of oppression and is why our language still survives. There is nothing wrong with the arranged marriage system, especially since everyone today can say no, if they do not want to marry.
Lassi thinks she is a progressive thinker, but she is not. She is a Feminazi. A Feminist - Nazi. And I do not mean that in an insulting or offensive way. She believes that men should not have testicles. She believes that Sikhism should embrace Gays.
Ignore her. She is twisted.
I find it funny that you want equal rights for women when it comes to the role of her being a wife, but when it comes to performing Sewa at Sri Darbaar Sahib and other Gurdwaras being managed by SGPC, no one utters a word. If you truly want the responsibilities between a husband and wife to be the same, you will first have to see the status of man and woman made equal in Sikhi. it is our Gurus' Divine Hukam to accept the Order of equality, but some people bringing up baseless arguments that are shadowed br ego and greed turn a deaf ear to our Gurus' Pavitar Hukam and decide that their worldy thoughts are supreme. i have began an online petition to support this cause. I am doing my bit, the best i can, are you???
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/sikhequality/signatures.html
if you want to see a change at home, make a change in the way our most sacred Gurdwaras are run, and i am certain that the Guru will reward us by blessing us with peace and equality at home.
let us RESTORE WOMENS' POWER, bow down to the Gurus' Hukam.
bhool chuck maaf karni,
govind singh
So true!
Indian bigotry and medieval traditions have nothing to do with Sikhi. The problem is that many people can not differenciate so they practice old fashioned traditions and they think that's what real Sikhism is. Actually those traditions are killing Sikhism out of society because people are tired of it. Especially youth who are fed up with so much control from other people. All this arranged marriage, dowry, casteism, fat weddings, etc. are absolutely against Sikhism but still many Sikhs practice it. They are lying to themselves. This is not what the Gurus were talking about...
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Comment about Sikh Gurus having multiple wives
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sorry about that
arranged marriage and caste
I agree with the proposition
I agree with you but you are mixing things.
Lassi ji...Wonderful deep
Ignore this lassi character
Lassi, From what I have read
Chauvinism and Khalsa
So true! Indian bigotry and