Radha-Soami Religion: Part 4 FIVE NAAM DHUNES (Dhuniatmic) AND Positions
Posted by Jaspal Singh Sindhar
Radha-Soami Religion: Part 4 FIVE NAAM DHUNES (Dhuniatmic) AND Positions
Posted by Jaspal Singh Sindhar on Tuesday, 2/09/1999 2:14 PM MST
| Radha-Soami Religion: Part 4 FIVE NAAM DHUNES(Dhuniatmic) AND THEIR POSITIONS: Now we consider the other form of Naam ie Dhuniatmic (sounds). Before we get into five Naams let us consider some other things from Sar Bachan regarding shabd suret. Sar Bachan teaches: Satjug Treta Duapar beeta, Kahu na jani shabd ke reeta, Kaljug mai Soami dya bichari, pargat kar ka shabd pukari. meaning in all the other three jugs people did not know the excercise technique for shabd or Nij Naam. In Kaljug Soami had mercy and he disclosed the technique for shabd. Let us look at Gurbani: Shabd Guru Suret Dhun Cheala. GGS p943 --- Sidh Ghoshat. Shabd Gur Peera Ghahir Gambhira, Bin Shabda Jag baurana. Sorath M1 p635 Nanak Naam Niranjan Jano, Keeni Bhagat Prem liv laee, Tai tah Angad aung sang bhagho saeer, Swayia M4 p1406 Tin SHABD SURET KEE Neeve Rakhaee. Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Angad Dev ji were here 400 years before Radha soami(shiv dyal singh) and Bhatts in Swayia are telling that these Gurus laid the foundation of Shabd Suret. So Radha Soamies are wrong in telling that no one knew about shabd or shabd suret before Shiv Dyal Singh had mercy on poor kaljugi jeev. Five Naams and Places: Radha Soamies have five Dhuniatmic names and these are similar to what one find in Jog mat. Five Naams are: 1 Jote Niranjan: It is a copy of Alakh Niranjan, the word Jogies say while begging. It is supposed to be at Sahansar dal kwal position. One hears ringing of bells and playing of Conch(sankh) 2 Oankar: It comes from hindu granths. It is a state of GOD when GOD creates creation. Guru Nanak Dev ji called "Oankar Brahma utpat". Radha Soamies position this Naam at Triquti. One hears playing of instrument Mridhang and sound of clouds. 3 Rarnkar: It is at Dasem Duar and sound of Kingri(one string) being played is heard. Rarnkar word is not there in Gurbani but Radha Soami try to use verses (from GGS) with Rara to explain it. 4 Soham: This word is from Vaidante and it is a Saneassi Mantar. Kabir ji mentioned it in Rag Bhairo "Soham Ja ko Ha Jaap". Radha Soamies places this at Bhawar Guffa and one hears bansari being played. 5 Satnam: It is from Guru Granth sahib and part of moole mantar. Satnam also comes in Kabir ji's bani. Radha Soamies place this two finger widths above Bhawar Guffa. One hears Beena. Thus none of these five names belong to Radha Somies. They have problem with the third. Jogies assume within a Jogi there are five kind of sounds(shabds) being played and these are similar to sounds originating from five different kind of instruments: 1 Tat : Stringed Instrument. 2 Vrit: Instruments with leather . 3 Ghan: Metals striking and making sound. 4 Naad: Open and hollow vassel such as Pot. 5 Sukhar: Blowing of air. Jogies say they hear five sounds in Dasem duar and these sounds are of Sankh, Mridjang, Kingri, Murli,beena. So all these Five Naams, Five shabds and five Places belong to Jog mat and is nothing new. Gurbanee teaches: Jog Sidh assen chaurassi aih bhi kar kar rahia, Vaddi arja phir phir janamain har siho sang na gahai. GGS p 642 Gurbanee rejects the Jogi's way of reaching GOD. Further Hath Kar Tant vajava jogi, thothar baaja bain, Gurmat Har Gune Bolo Jogi, Ihe manua har rang bhain. Asa M4, p 368. Listening to sounds of strings etc is useless you need to sing HIS praise. Continue.......... |
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