onlyforGOD: Thanks for keeping up your promise although I would not have held you to it. A lot has been already said, so I will try and clarify my position on some of the points as succinctly as possible – but please do take them in a positive manner – as they are also meant. You wrote……. “Anyway about considering yourself distinct from other races and religions and all the rest. When u do that every1 else does the same and then they start thinking themselves as better than the others. So best don't even think in terms of castes, religions and races”. My reply: when one thinks he is better than others than he is given to a super ‘evil’ called ‘houmai’ or ‘ahankar’ (i.e. EGO) which is also considered a chronic disease. This must be checked and controlled all the time (not easy I agree). Even when one considers he is free from houmai that in itself lets houmai in through the backdoor. Then you point out ….”Think of 1 god if u r going 2 meditate on anything, but really that is pointless as well as God has everything in control just as he wants 2 and if He didn't have we wouldn't even be here” ….. My thoughts: MOST faiths agree (as does Sikhism) there is only one Primal Power to whom we refer to as God. Therefore, yes we should meditate on the Name of God and no one else. I agree with you that the Lord is always in control. However, meditating on His Name is never pointless (but you are entitled to your opinion and beliefs). You further say….”Just try to teach some of these others to be good as well”. …. Dear sir when I write it is only to share my thoughts with others and try and understand my faith and my own progress towards my goal. If I see anything in contradiction of my faith then I will try and point it out (most humbly) and my comments are for every person to read including you. But this must not be confused with preaching. One must practice what one preaches, Guru Ji says, otherwise he or she will remain in the cycle of birth and death. On a lighter note as an elder (if you will allow me – I am not so serious all the time as you may think) it is my sincere suggestion you should go along with your wife and stay at home on a Friday night (please take this in a positive spirit – oops - I should not have used the word ‘spirit’ specially with the Friday night looming). I think a lot has been said and written as some point out. IF YOU LOOK AT MY CONTRIBUTION IT HAS MAINLY BEEN CONCILIATORY - TRYING TO SECURE PEACE AND HARMONY ON THIS SITE. As for the relevant topic, I was ONE OF ONLY THREE PERSONS TO POST MY SUPPORT FOR THE TWO GALLANT SIKHS ON THE FIRST REPORT (where were the others?) and have also written relevant comments under this report.

I have just become a member of Sikhnet, and all I read are these two or three individuals talking about the same item over and over again. Why don't we talk about what the article is about. You are totally correct in this point. My point on the 'article' is that Sikhs should not join the American military.

“Difference and distinction have to be maintained I have never been of opposite opinion. But difference and distinction have to be both, outer and inner, if it lacks inner one it automatically becomes a mockery as purpose is defeated”. THIS STATEMENT WAS MADE BY ROMESH KUMAR AND NOT ME ,although I agreed with it entirely. Assuming this was my statement you responded in your usual element “Man, what are you on about ? I thought you are into being equal. Distinctions ? Differences? This is double-talk when on the other hand you are saying you don’t hate other religions but don’t like the bad people who use them wrongly. Seems that once you’ve sorted out the bad people you still want to see yourself as distinct. I reckon that sort of attitude will cause problems again at some time or another”. WHY DID YOU NOT RESPOND TO THESE REMARKS IN THIS MANNER AT THE TIME THESE WERE MADE – MUCH EARLIER BY MR ROMESH KUMAR? The above are not for argument purposes but for clarification. I rest my case.

Thank you for that comment. Now I know who I am dealing with (or rather not having top deal with). Maybe you should fix what is frustating in your life rather than posting nonsensical comments here. If you have such an attitude then then there is no point hitting my head over a rock. People like you have no identity and hence hide behind such names as yours. If you want to have a serious professional debate start learning to respond ina professional manner and reveal your identity.

I was hoping for a response from Romesh ji but you reacted first by posting “NEWS Arshi LIKES comments from Romesh”. One does not disagree for the sake of disagreeing. I had been requesting RK for a conciliatory response and I thought his post to Jas4raj was in part compliance of my request when he wrote “Jas4raj......, most likely that 'person' is me..............but that must be an emotional outburst, I did not mean it. To be called a sikh, one must and has to follow physical aspect. Difference and distinction have to be maintained. I have never been of opposite opinion. But difference and distinction have to be both, outer and inner, if it lacks inner one it automatically becomes a mockery as purpose is defeated”. AT LEAST HE HAD THE COURAGE TO ADMIT HE HAD SAID SOME THINGS UNDER AN EMOTIONAL OUTBURST AND DID NOT MEAN THEM. This is a way of resolving differences and IT TAKES COURAGE TO DO SO. I FELT IT NEEDED TO BE PRAISED. I had been pleading for peace and harmony on this forum and felt we were moving in the right direction, when I got good responses for Satnam Anand, Jas4raj and Kanwarjeet and Romesh Kumar - but we seem to have moved backwards again. ROMESH JI ALSO ADDED “HATE TOWARDS ISLAM IS NATURAL AND MORE OR LESS LEGITIMATE”. My reaction was that we should condemn the perpetrators - the Islamic fundamentalists and not the faith and the same goes for other recognised faiths. I have never said anything against Hinduism or Christianity or any other faith, in any of my posts - please do read them. If I were to disagree with any aspects of another faith (there is nothing wrong with that) I would do so intelligently, compassionately and with due caution not to upset the followers of that faith. As I mentioned in my earlier posts I have good friends from all faiths and we discuss and enjoy debating issues without falling out. Besides ONE HAS TO BE CAREFUL WHAT ONE SAYS IN WRITING as the written word has a quality of permanence and legality. Although you have raised many other points in you post (and earlier posts) I will refrain from commenting as it will only generate unnecessary antagonism.

only4GOD - Folks, you just heard it right here, only4GOD calling Jatts nasty and stuck up. I thought you were trying to promote tolerance?????????????is this your defination of tolerance?????Sorry man, dont agree with you.
Comeon PCJ, stop hiding behind this ID. I know you cannot backup your own statements and you back out of everything, but now hiding behind a different ID and calling your own folks nasty and stuckup? this is a new low even for you. Arshi has been so nice in trying to calm everyone down, atleast give his efforts some credit and stop this nastiness. tsk tsk tsk.

"Spirituality without religion is like a lemonade without lemon"