Sri Dasam Granth path-bodh Samagam ends at Hazur Sahib

October 28th, 2008 Source: www.sikhsangat.org

Dedicated to the 300 year celebrations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the Path-Bodh (recitation and understanding) of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib was organized by Damdami Taksal, under the guises of Sant Baba Harnam Singh, head of Damdami Taksal. The samagam took place between 22nd September and  26th  October 2008 at Gurudwara Mata Sahib Deva Ji in Hazur Sahib. More than 300 students most of them young participated in the Path-Bodh samagam. Sri Dasam Granth path was undertaken by the Damdami Taksal under the guidance of Giani Inderjit Singh.

The area around Hazur Sahib including the Takht has constant recitations of both Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sri Dasam Granth in many of the Gurudwaras there.

The final samagam was attended by many Jathebandis of the Sikhs and the Jathedars of the Takhts. The Ardas was undertaken by Giani Iqbal Singh of Takht Patna Sahib and Hukumnama was taken by Giani Gurbachan Singh, Akal Takht Jathedar. Panth renowned ragi jatha of Bhai Amrik Singh Zakhmi performed the keertan on this occasion.
In attendance were various Nihang Jathebandis, SGPC, AISSF (Mehta), Nirmalas, Damdami Taksal, Nanaksar and Rara Sahib Samprayadas and various Sikh scholars.

Baba Harnam Singh, Chief Damdami Taksal honoring Giani Gurbachan Singh, Jathedar Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, at Hazur Sahib
There were various speeches and the main theme was that some Sikhs were creating unnecessary controversies in the panth. The Sri Dasam Granth was an important scripture to the Sikhs and that the troublemakers would not be allowed to create confusion among the Sikhs.

The Akal Takht Jathedar, Giani Gurbachan Singh commented on the relationship of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and the Sri Dasam Granth, “Puritan Rehatnamas state that the Dasam Granth and the Guru Granth Sahib should be read together”. He praised the Damadami Taksal for showing strength in resolving Sikh matters especially as they take their lineage from Shaheed Baba Deep Singh.

The Jathedar of Takht Hazur Sahib, Giani Kulwant Singh stated the grounds of Hazur Sahib were sacred and that by giving Gur-ta Gaddi to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib at this place, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib gave a new direction to the humanity by denouncing the deh-dhari Guru parmapara. Hence all living Gurus were ended at this time.
He congratulated Baba Harman Singh for organizing the event and stated that various panthic Jathebandis who do the Santhia of Guru Granth Sahib should also undertake the Santhia of Sri Dasam Granth. The Jathedar of Takht Patna Sahib, Giani Iqbal Singh stated, “Dasam Granth trouble makers are trying to tarnish the name of the Dasam Granth”, he continued “Takht Patna Sahib was the flag bearer of ensuring that Sri Dasam Granth was respected and protected”.

Chairman of Takhat Hazoor Sahib Board, Dr. PS Pasricha stated that the example of Sarbat-da-bhala which Sikh Gurus provided is unmatched in the whole world.Renowned kathavachak Giani Pinderpal Singh said that what we say and do should be the same and that all the Sikh panth should be one with the Guru, if not then our minds will not be clean.

SGPC member Rajinder Singh Mehta stated that Sikh troublemakers cannot upset the Sikh Panth as Sri Guru Gobind Singh had built the foundations of the Khalsa Panth and these will not be allowed to falter.

Bhai Amarjit Singh Chawla stated that the Damdami Taksal was always instrumental in stopping the troublemakers of the panth. He continued by saying that the right way to celebrate the Sikh occasions was the Puritan way and all the controversies surrounding Nanakshai Calendar should be dealt with.

Dr. Anurag Singh Director of the Sikh Research Board said that it is because of our own weaknesses that anti-Panthic forces have increased their attacks on the Sikh principles.

Baba Balwinder Singh Kurali of Nanaksar Samprayada stated that if Sant Jarnail Singh Bhinderwale were here then these troublemakers would not have been able to start these issues.
 
(Original story written by Harvinder Singh Khalsa, Ajit Newspaper)

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November 5, 2008 - 9:45am Harmanpreet singhh

SHRI DASAM GRANTH SAHIB JI

ITS BEAUTIFUL WORK OF OUR FATHER ,PLZ DON'T SLANDER , READ IT FIRST IT IS IN LINE WITH GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI

(((((((((ਏਕ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਜੈ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਪਰਾਸਰ ਬਯਾਸ ਝੁਠਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਸਜੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕੌ ਬਿਧ ਨੈਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੫॥.

Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way you prove Shukdev, Prashar etc. as liars; all the so-called religions are hollow; I only accept the One Lord as the Providence.

ਕੋਊ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਕੋਊ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਬਤੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਕੋਊ ਕਹੈ ਬਿਸ਼ਨੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨਾਇਕ ਜਾਹਿ ਭਜੇ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਕਟੈ ਹੈ ॥

Someone tells Brahma as the Lord-God and someone tells the same thing about Shiva; someone considers Vishnu as the hero of the universe and says that only on remembering him, all the sins will be destroyed;

ਬਾਰ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਅਰੇ ਜੜ ਅੰਤ ਸਮੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਤਜਿ ਜੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਿ ਹੀਏ ਜੋਊ ਥੇ ਅਬ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਆਗੈ ਊ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥

O fool ! think about it a thousand times, all of them will leave you at the time of death, therefore, you should only meditate on Him, who is there in the present and who will also be there in future.16.

FATEH JIYO

November 5, 2008 - 8:56am lakwinder singh

Satnam anand ji Please show

Satnam anand ji Please show us wherein Dasam granth it is written to venerate Hindu Devi and Devats? You are keeping quiet as you are not able to show it. Stop preaching misinformation about Sahib Guru Gobind singh's writings.
November 7, 2008 - 10:32am satnam_anand

patience is a virtue

Lakhwinder Singh Ji, Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Veerji patience is a virtue. Be patient. Although you very well know what Bachhitar Natak is all about you want to hear from me, I will not disappoint you. I am preoccupied for some time please bear with me.
November 7, 2008 - 5:15pm lakwinder singh

Satnam anand Read this

Satnam anand

Read this before you utter further nonsense about Dasam granth

ਚੌਪਈ ॥
चौपई ॥
CHAUPAI

ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮਹਿ ਰਮ ਰਹਯੋ ਅਲੇਖਾ ॥
सभ ही महि रम रहयो अलेखा ॥
That inconceivable Lord pervades all;

ਮਾਗਤ ਭਿੰਨ ਭਿੰਨ ਤੇ ਲੇਖਾ ॥
मागत भिंन भिंन ते लेखा ॥
And all the beings beg from him according to their writ;

ਜਿਨ ਨਰ ਏਕ ਵਹੈ ਠਹਰਾਯੋ ॥
जिन नर एक वहै ठहरायो ॥
He, who hath comprehended the Lord as One,

ਤਿਨਹੀ ਪਰਮ ਤਤੁ ਕਹੁ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੩੬॥
तिनही परम ततु कहु पायो ॥३६॥
Only he hath realized the Supreme Essence.36.

Chaubis avtar, Dasam Granth

November 7, 2008 - 10:42am lakwinder singh

How many days or months. You

How many days or months. You can take help of Jasbir Mann web owner of Globalsikhstudies.

Had you read Dasam Granth you would have not said like this. Show me where it is written to venerate Hindu Devi/Devtas.

November 5, 2008 - 8:58am lakwinder singh

Satnam anand

Satnam anand

Why are not you showing me wherein Dasam Granth it is written to venerate Hindu dEvi and devtas? You cann't show me as there is nothing like that there. Stop telling lies and spreading hate towards Dasam Granth that has banis of tenth master. Only an akirtghan can act like you. SHOW Me where it is written what you were claming so far. Apologise to sangat for your slander. That shows double standards of thugs of kala afghana and ragi Darshan's tribe. All those who are calling names to Dasam Granth are agents of anti sikh forces.

No see here the Hukamnama of akal takhat sahib terming those akirtghans as liars.

http://www.santsipahi.org/patshahi10/AT-hukamnama-darshansingh.html

There is a photograph also at the end. Shame on those who slander bani of tenth master.

November 3, 2008 - 7:50am lakwinder singh

Mr kukar ji Every sikh

Mr kukar ji Every sikh acknowledges SGGS as ther Guru. Why are you bringing in this topic on intention here. The kala diwas you are referring to is an excercise by anti panthic elements abetted by anti sikh agents . There was no prakash of Dasam granth in the pandal. I have photograph of pandal. There is a hukamnama of akal takhat in which Takhat has termed them as liars and mischief mongers.
November 4, 2008 - 8:54am satnam_anand

Lakhwinder Singh Ji - No Double Standards Please.

Lakhwinder Singh ji, WJKK WJKF. Excuse me for joining in the your ongoing discussion with Gur-Kukkar on the Kala-Divas. You are free to call the organizers and participants of the event celebrated as Kala-Divas, anti sikh or whatever you fancy but don't cry foul when they call brothers like you misguided/bhulad Sikhs and your bosses as RSS AGENTS. For a minute let's believe what you are saying that there was no parkash of BN/DG in the pandal but what about parkash in Gurudwara Sahib? According to your yardstick parkash/Matha Takena of /to DG is O.K. in gurudwara but not O.K. in Pandal of Kala Divas. Oh! Again your DOUBLE STANDARDS are exposed. You are deceptively trying to JUSTIFY the parkash of the controversial DG in the gurudwara at par with SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB which is a BLATANT VIOLATION OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI'S UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED ORDERS "SAB SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI GURU MANIYO GRANTH" AND THAT A SIKH SHALL NOT BOW HIS HEAD IN FRONT OF ANY OTHER BOOK". It is also the violation of SIKH REHAT MARYADA which says that at any place where there is parkash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, parkash of no other book is allowed. (Which Hukamnama are you talking about? Now it your turn to give ref.) It's not only misguided people like you but the so called Jathedars also who violated the orders of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji by bowing their head and paying respect to the controversial book DG. Now hear the latest, ( from the horse's mouth), your Jathedar Balwant Singh Nandgarh has claimed in an interview published in a leading Newspaper of Punjab dated 2nd Nov., that he openly criticized the Brahminical Rituals being carried out in Nanded from the podium of the main Pandal of the 300 Sala celebrations, in strong words and boycotted the function. He further criticized his colleague GIANI GURBACHAN SINGH the so called Jathedar of the highest religious and temporal seat for following the Brahminical Parampara of Hazoor Sahib and thus violated the GURU'S HUKAM. Giani Nangarh rediculed Giani Gurbachan Singh's TAKING OFF HIS PAYJAMA ON BEHEST OF PUJARIS OF HAZOOR SAHIB AS A BRAHMINICAL PRECONDITION, BEFORE MATHA TAKENA TO DG AND FURTHER QUESTIONED WILL HE TAKE OFF HIS KACCHERA ALSO IF SO ASKED BY THE HAZOORI BHAIS.
November 2, 2008 - 10:38am Harmanpreet singhh

how to free thakht hazoor sahib from brahmins

sangat jiyo ji , guru ghar is in hands of brahmin , they perform aarti by lighting flames and banging bells . did n;t guru nanak dev ji prohibited the pandits at jagannath puri to stop this type of karam kand says gagan mein thaal rav chand deepak baney , tarka mandal janak moti , KAISI AARTI HOI BHAV KHANDNA TERI AARTI THESE PREIST ARE GRAVELY INSULTING OUR GURUS , WHEN I VISITED HAZUR SAHIB LAST , I PREFER TO STAY AT GURU DWARA BABA NIDHAN SINGH JI INSTEAD OF THAKHT SAHIB JI . IS THERE ANY PLACE IN DARBAR SAHIB AMRISAR OR ANY GURUGHAR WHERE SANGAT CAN'T GO , BUT IN HAZOOR SAHIB THERE IS A ROOM WHERE ONLY HIGHEST PREIST CAN GO , IS IT A GURMAT ? THANX TO OUR FORE FATHER S WHO GAVE THEIR BLOOD IN EARLY NINETIES , OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO VITNESS SUCH BRAHMAN VAAD AT SHRI DARBAAR SAHIB AMRITSAR SAHIB . SANGAT ITS OUR DUTY TO FREE GURU GHAR FROM CLUTHES OF BAHMANS FATEH
November 2, 2008 - 11:16am lakwinder singh

It is easier said than done.

It is easier said than done. (If you do not like their practices do not go there or go there and ask them to stop these practices. These practices are not new. Gurui sahib had condemned those rituals where aim was to get salvation only by performing rituals. There was no rememberance of Akal purakh. Many of todays missionsaries consider naam japna also a ritual. They need to know first what is a ritual.
November 2, 2008 - 12:35pm Gur-Kukkar

Jagriti aa rahi hai, Chardi kala vi aavegi.

Lakwinder Singh, Sangat is becoming aware. You will see the positive results of Jagriti Divas that we have celebrated. Those who have been to Hazoor Sahib are wiser now. You too think analyticaly and from a neutral angle, you will realize your folly.
November 2, 2008 - 1:44pm lakwinder singh

What is jagriti divas you

What is jagriti divas you are talking about? Can you elaborate on Jagriti divas. Was it in faridabad where some anti sikh sikhs call names to granth of tenth master?
November 3, 2008 - 5:42am Gur-Kukkar

Jagriti divas

Mr. Lakwinder Singh, Jagriti Divas for you would be the day when you wake up to the fact that the Xth Nanak, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji bestowed Gur Gaddi to SGGS and ordered his Sikhs that should bow their head in only in front of SGGS. By the way I wanted to write Jagriti Yatra not Jagriti Divas, which I think has made many misguided people aware that NO OTHER BOOK IS TO BE CONSIDERED AT PAR WITH GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. The Jagriti Yatra has made non Sikhs aware of the main teachings of The eternal Sikh Guru SGGS. I must say you are quite smart and keep a tap on what goes on in the other camp. The event you are refering to is perhaps named 'Kala Divas" correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Singh.
November 2, 2008 - 12:22pm Gur-Kukkar

Nariyal,Chandan & Blood Tilak,Diyas and Typical Hindu aarti

Lakwinder Singh, Dhan tusi te dhan tuhada sochana. YOU MEAN TO SAY .... Aarti in typical Hindu-mandir style, with lots of diyas/flames in a thaal and the Bhai ji holding the aarti thaal and moving it in circular motions, exactly aping the movements of a Brahmin/Pandit of a mandir, with other Bhai jis' Tal-Kharkana(ringing of bells) this the exact karam kandi aarti to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji objected and refused to take part in. Besides this Chandan/ animal-blood Tilaks, Nariyal parshad in red cloth, sacrifices of animals and many more such rituals ARE NOT IN THE LIST OF THOSE KARAM-KANDS OR RITUALS/ PRACTICES WHICH WERE CONDEMNED BY GURU SAHIBS. In other words you claim that these Karam Kands/Rituals/Practices were approved by Guru Sahibs. Could you please post the APPROVAL CERTIFICATE or would you want me to send you a list of SHABADS FROM SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH Ji to convince. Mr. Lakwinder Singh just because a practice is old it does not necessarily means it is Sacred and O.K. You sit in peace nobody is asking you to go and personally stop the practices. We are in our own way taught by Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Rosse na kijaye uttar dijaye) are in process of asking the concerned authorities to set things right in the spirit of SGGS bani.
November 2, 2008 - 12:21pm Gur-Kukkar

Nariyal,Chandan & Blood Tilak,Diyas and Typical Hindu aarti

Lakwinder Singh, Dhan tusi te dhan tuhada sochana. YOU MEAN TO SAY .... Aarti in typical Hindu-mandir style, with lots of diyas/flames in a thaal and the Bhai ji holding the aarti thaal and moving it in circular motions, exactly aping the movements of a Brahmin/Pandit of a mandir, with other Bhai jis' Tal-Kharkana(ringing of bells) this is the exact karam kandi aarti to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji objected and refused to take part in. Besides this Chandan/ animal-blood Tilaks, Nariyal parshad wrapped in red cloth, sacrifices of animals and many more such rituals,.... ARE NOT IN THE LIST OF THOSE KARAM-KANDS OR RITUALS/ PRACTICES WHICH WERE CONDEMNED BY GURU SAHIBS. In other words you claim that these Karam Kands/Rituals/Practices were approved by Guru Sahibs. Could you please post the APPROVAL CERTIFICATE or would you want me to send you a list of SHABADS FROM SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH Ji to convince you. Mr. Lakwinder Singh just because a practice is old it does not necessarily mean it is Sacred and O.K. You sit in peace nobody is asking you to go and personally stop the practices. We are in our own way taught by Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Rosse na kijaye uttar dijaye) are in process of asking the concerned authorities to set things right in the spirit of SGGS bani.
November 2, 2008 - 1:39pm lakwinder singh

If they are doing arti, in

If they are doing arti, in front of what they are doing arti? Is it photo of some Hindu devis or devtas? If they are raeding shabad what shabad is that? Is it from Hindu scriptures? If it is so then please let us know. Lot of sikhs who call them reformers are praeching atheist views about sikhism such as there is no use of naam simran or naam simran is a useless excrcise ( from book of missionary Inder Ghagha who was a communist few yaers back), there is no effect of karma, there is no incarnation and there is no soul. Why do not you expose those crooks. Moreover the discussion is on Dasam Granth. Let us not divert from the topic and saty focussed on it.
November 3, 2008 - 1:55am Gur-Kukkar

Guru Nanak Dev Ji didn't participate in aarti with Thaal & Diya.

Mr.LakwinderSingh, It was the Karam Kand accompanying the recitation of aarti---- the THAAL WITH DIYAS/FLAMES etc. by the Pandits to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji had then objected and explained to them what real aarti was. It is a different matter that the Pandits were obstinate and a greedy lot who wanted to live on charity so they continued with their rituals and still continue through generations to perform the karam kands but the people who understood Guru Nanak and became his followers/sikhs gave up those karam kands. YOU ARE TOTALLY CONFUSED MR. SINGH IN SIKHISM THERE IS A SRTICT NO TO ALL KARAM KANDS ( During the hard times after Guru Gobind Singh Ji's death , when the Sikhs were on the run, hiding in jungles, the Brahmin in the guise of mahants took over the gurudwaras and slowly brought Karam Kands / rituals into gurudwaras and sikhi to agument their income, this clever move of brahmin has TODAY become a pain for the Panth, the so called PURATAN PARAMPARA for ignorant sikhs like you and Mike. Regarding Naam simran, I would suggest that you learn to grasp the aspect of the broader and more physically visible Karam Kands first and then divert your attention to the finer points like Naam Simran etc. Hope this helps you in understanding the in Xth Nanak's Philosophy better.
November 4, 2008 - 9:27am lakwinder singh

Kukar ji Karam kand is that

Kukar ji Karam kand is that where stress is only on getting slavation by karam kands and not remembering Akal purakh. They are not doing that. They raed SGGS ji and are aware of that. Do not be judge on them. I brought naam simran because atheists among sikhs who call themselves sikh missionaries diwown naam simran. Are you one of them.
November 3, 2008 - 7:55am lakwinder singh

There is no difference

There is no difference between Guru sahibs philosophy ist to ten. You need a serious lesson in sikh history before you start cursing brahmins to make a point. Harmandir sahib was in control of sikhs and not any brahmin after the death of Guru sahib. Bhai mani singh was head Granthi. One of the tasks he did was to put maryada of haramndir sahib in written form. So do not beat about bush here without knowing facts.
November 1, 2008 - 8:40pm lakwinder singh

Do not run away Mr kookar.

Do not run away Mr kookar. You are instigating others. Why do not you go there and do it yourself Mr right. Mike has not supported this act. What jathedar you are talking about here. Can we know that. In what context you are bringing jathedars in? Did they support beating of this gentleman? People like you only know how to instigate others and add fuel to fire.
November 2, 2008 - 11:22am Gur-Kukkar

Kukkar is siiting at the feet of his GuruSahib.Won't run away

Lakwinder Singh, I can't say about others but you for sure have been instigated and provoked that too unnecessarily. I think any sane person would have disapproved the dastardly attack on a Sikh brother from America and would have shared my views that we should render unconditional apology to the gentleman. I also talked of appreciating his effort and courage to act according to the tenets of Guru Granth Sahib which condemns all kinds of ‘karam-kands’/ superstitious Brahminical rituals. (So what's wrong in it?) It is shameful that none of the Jathedars or leaders have uttered a single word to condemn the attack. Jathedars are appointed to lead the Panth 'ONLY' in accordance to the principles of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and to see it that its edict is not violated.( I hope you agree.) Now when BRAHMINICAL RITUALS which are strongly condemned by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are taking place right in front of Jathedars’ eyes and they instead of objecting to them start participating in them then how do you term their? So it is in this context that the Jathedars are being named. I want you to read the next line keeping the honour and principles of Sri Guru Granth Sahib in your heart and mind and then decide for yourself. DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHEN, HOW AND BY WHICH JATHEDAR / SEWADAR / SADH / NIHANG / BABA / BHAI / RAGI / GRANTHI / SANT / MAHANT / SINGH SAHIB ETC., THESE SO CALLED PURATAN-BRAHMINICAL MARYADAS/REETS/PARAMPARAS WERE STARTED AT HAZOOR SAHIB OR ANY OTHER PLACE FOR THAT MATTER. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT THEY ARE AGAINST THE PRINCIPLES/ORDERS OF OUR ETERNAL GURU, SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AND SRM AND SHOULD THEREFORE BE OPPOSED AND CONDEMNED NOT ONLY BY PERSONS APPOINTED FOR THE JOB (JATHEDARS/LEADERS) BUT ALSO BY SANGAT. So that is why it is unfortunate that on the pretext of puratan reets/paramparas etc. the tenets of our Sri Guru Granth Sahib are being wittingly flouted by Jathedars and unwittingly by the innocent Sikh sangat . See By God' grace I am very much here.
November 2, 2008 - 1:32pm lakwinder singh

Guru kookars The sikhs who

Guru kookars The sikhs who are controlling gurudwara at hazur sahib will not agree whatever you may write here. They have their maryada that they say is 300 years old. Punjab has undergone change. So either do not go there or do it yourself what you are preaching others to do. How do we know what really happened there? Do you have first hand account what really happened there. There are a lot of people to inflate the news and add fuel to fire. Let us desist from doing this. Those who read sikh scriptures know very well what are rituals and what are not rituals.
November 2, 2008 - 10:27pm Gur-Kukkar

Dhan ho maharaj, the double standards......

Mr.Lakwinder Singh, Just look at your double standards. IF in this modren era of technology, with world class media, (multi channels T.V. Coverage, Radio, DTH), telephones, mobile-phones, internet etc you are not sure what actually happened there (and there are a lot of people who inflate the news and add fuel to the fire) THEN WITH WHAT LOGIC YOU (AND YOUR FRIENDS/ADVISERS) CAN BE SO SURE ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED 300 HUNDRED YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WERE NO MODERN FACILITIES LIKE TODAY AND WHEN THERE WERE ENEMIES OF SIKHS ALL AROUND. DO YOU THINK THERE WAS A DEARTH OF PEOPLE WHO INFLATE NEWS AND FUEL TO THE FIRE AT THAT TIME............... THAT IS WHY I REQUEST ONE AND ALL (AND SPECIALLY you) TO THINK RATIONALLY AND BELIEVE ONLY IN GURU WHO HAS BEEN AUTHENTICALLY GIVEN THE GUR-GADDI BY NONE OTHER THAN BY OUR OWN FATHER, THE Xth NANAK SRI GURU GOBIND SINGH JI, THAT IS ONE AND ONLY "SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH JI" -------------Mr.Lakwinder Singh, it is indeed very unfortunate that TODAY the sikhs who are controlling the Gurudwara Hazoor Sahib as well as people like you (for whatever reason/compulsion/greed) are not able to see the logic, but by Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Mehar Sadka one day everyone will realize that "IT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER WHEN, HOW AND BY WHICH JATHEDAR / SEWADAR / SADH / NIHANG / BABA / BHAI / RAGI / GRANTHI / SANT / MAHANT / SINGH SAHIB ETC., THESE SO CALLED PURATAN-BRAHMINICAL MARYADAS/REETS/PARAMPARAS WERE STARTED AT HAZOOR SAHIB OR ANY OTHER PLACE FOR THAT MATTER. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT SINCE THEY ARE AGAINST THE PRINCIPLES/ORDERS OF OUR ETERNAL GURU, SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AND SRM THEY SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED VOLUNTARILY."
November 1, 2008 - 11:02am lakwinder singh

Satnam anad ji I have got it

Satnam anad ji

I have got it ascertained it from SGPC and akal takhat. There is no directive from akal takhat saying that charitropakhayan is not kirat of tenth master. That letter does not have signature of anyone. That is why that letter is a fake.

When are you going to show me the veneration of Hindu Devi and devtas in Dasam Granth.

I reproduce something for you to ponder upon

Dasam Granth on rama

Jou Kahou Ram Ajoun Ajai Ut Kaahay Kou Koshal Kukh Jeou Joo. Kaal
Hoon Kaal Kahea Jeh Kaou Keh KaarN Kaal Tay Din Bheou Joo.

If we consider Ram, the Akal Purkh as Unborn, then how did he take
birth from the womb of Kaushalya? He, who is said to be the KAL
(destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated
himself before KAL?

On krishna

Sat Saroop Bibair Kahaey So Kaeon Path Kou Rath Haank Dheou Joo. Tahi
Kou Maan Prabhoo Kar Kai Jeh Kou Kouoo Bhayd Na Layn Laeo Joo.

If Krishna is called the Truth-incarnate, beyond enmity and
opposition, then why did he become the charioteer of Arjuna? O mind!
You only consider It the Akal Purkh God, who’s Mystery, could not be
known to anyone.

Kaeon Koh Krishan Kirpanidh Hai Keh Kaaj Tay Badhak BaaN Lagaeo. Aour
Kulin Oudharat Jou Keh Tay Apnay Kul Naas Karaeo.

Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the
hunter shot his arrow at him? He has been described as redeeming the
clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan.

Aad Ajoun Kahaay Kahou Kim Dayvak Kay Jathrantar Aeou. Taat Na Maat
Kahai Jeh Kaou The Kajeon Basudeveh Baap Kahaeo.

Akal Purkh is said to be unborn and beginning less, then how did he
come into the womb of Devaki? Akal Purkh is considered to be without
any father or mother, then why did Krishna cause Vasudev to be called
his father.

Dasam granth on other devtas

Kahay Kou Aysh Mahaysh Bhakhat Kaeh Dejaysh Kou Aysh Bakhaneo. Hai N
Raghvaysh Jadavaysh Ramapat Tai Jin Kaou Bisvnaath Pachaneo.

Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Akal Purkh? There is none
amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Creator
of the Universe.

October 31, 2008 - 11:17am lakwinder singh

Satnam anand ji I have seen

Satnam anand ji I have seen that letter. That letter is fake. Why do not you post it here. That will show that the letter is fake and people who tout that letter will be exposed. Akal takhat considers all compositions of Dasam granth from the pen of tenth master. I have asserted it myself. Chaupai sahib that forms part of our nitnem is from Charitropakhayan . So far you respect my sentiments and do not use bad language for the second most important scripture of sikhs, i assure you that i will deal with you with utmost respect. But write like a civilized person and do not name call sikh scriptures. Let vus start from what you have written earlier.Poit one, please show me wherein Dasam Granth Hindu devi Chandi and Hindu dEvtas are venerated.
November 1, 2008 - 10:37am satnam_anand

If it is a fake,why don't you post it here & let people decide

Lakhwinder Singh ji, WJKK WJKF. You are requested to come with an open and analytical mind to this debate so that we can progress further . First you say I should give evidence that SGPC has already rejected the major portion of DG i.e. Chritropakhyan and not chirp like a parrot. When I give a WELL DOCUMENTED reference (SGPC LETTER NO 36672 dated 3rd August 1973) you don't acknowledge it and reject it as fake without assigning any reason. I wonder how can one term an authenticated document on SGPC LETTER HEAD WITH AN OFFICIAL SGPC REFERENCE NUMBER 36672 AND DATE 3rd August 1973 in which the Secretary of Dharam Parchar Committee , S. Gurbax Singh conveys the opinion of SRI AKAL TAKHAT SAHIB AND THE JATHEDARS THAT "CHRITRPAKHYAN IS NOT DASHMESH BANI. THE PAKHYANS ARE COPY OF MYTHAS STORIES" as a fake. I had expressed my inability to provide you a copy in my last post but since you claim it is a fake and that you have seen it then please post it and let the sangat decide. ----------------SGPC Documents are fake but what you assert is right. -------------------- As I requested earlier I would once again request you not to drag Chaupi Sahib or other Banis which are a part of our Nitnem into this current argument. FIRSTLY because I don't want you create another unnecessary controversy and SECONDLY because it is a part of SIKH REHAT MARYADA, which came into being after serious deliberations and compromise by different sects of sikhs for the sake of unity of the Panth. Please try to understand that this excuse that Chaupai Sahib (which is a part Nitnem,Thanks to SRM) is from Chritropakhyan and therefore Chritropakhyan is O.K. won't stand good.---------------------------------I don't seek respect from I just want you to be rational and fair. Please note I have not used foul language in any of my posts, if while stating the facts I have called spade a spade then it was a compulsion and not intentional. ------------------------Point One: I will show not one but many pages of BN/DG where Devi/Devtas are venerated but first tell me ...What about the meeting?
October 30, 2008 - 3:10am Aeyaana sikh (not verified)

Discussion on Dasam Granth

Dear Veer Lakhwinder ji, I was reading the discussion below and could not resist to share my feelings with you. I fully agree to each and every word you have written. These kind of people are there since the times of Guruji own era. People filled with doubts just waste their lives in these things only. If somebody ask them: Is this what they got this life for? But they are helpless because Guruji wants them to wander. Its all Guruji's world, he himself imparts wisdom to some and he himself takes it away from others. These so called intellectual people like Prof. Darshan Singh and his followers have been diverted by Guru ji himself. Its not in their limits, although they think it is in their limits. Guruji only ask us one thing- to surrender our 'Matt' and 'Mann' and our task is only and only to keep remembering Guruji with simran, or with shabads all the time. Rest all is useless and waste of our precious life. But these people are using their 'Matt' Budhi to analyse what Dasam Granth is? which means that they have not surrendered their 'Matt' to Guru ji. They forget that this is not their task to fall into this decision or judgment. When Guruji says to give up your 'Matt', then what is left behind. If somebody gives up his Matt then that person can never ever even dare to think about being judgmental about these things. But yes Guruji's true disciple can take his own Ninda but he cannot bear his Guruji's disgrace. And that's what you are going through. Don't worry veerji, when such Nindaks are encountered, even at that time Guruji teaches - moorakhe naal naa ludjiye....' These people are not discussing in order to understand or learn because they are not intereseted in that. They are doing this just for the sake of it as it is also one of the member of family of 'Rass' where people like to discuss just because they have that Rass' of doing so.... Actually they are not interested in learning.
October 30, 2008 - 6:28am lakwinder singh

Veer ji When you ask them

Veer ji When you ask them specifics they just vanish from the scene. They are here for creating misinformation. May Waheguru grant them some matt.
October 29, 2008 - 3:22pm lakwinder singh

Now from veneration of Hindu

Now from veneration of Hindu devis and devtas you have shifted to Charitropakhayn. Your mind is obssesed with pornography . Nothing is obscene in charitropakhyan. It depends upon the perception with which one reads that. For example let us know what is obsecdene in Charotropakhayan. No cock and bull stories. Put up a verse here. If you slander the bani of my Guru it will naturally upset me. Persons like you have no snse of diginity. The people who disown their Guru today will forske their reli8gion tomorrow.
October 29, 2008 - 6:36am lakwinder singh

Satnam singh anand ji Let

Satnam singh anand ji Let us take first things first. There is no dispute that SGGS is eternal Guru of sikhs which gives a universal message of spirituality. Dasam Granth deals with organized structure of kahlsa panth and deals with soldier aspects of khalsa panth.It has been a revered scriptpure of sikhs ever since it was comnposed. So there is no rivalary among two granths. Those who bring this phoney issue are not friends of sikh panth and have not read Dasam granth. Those who say that its name was different than present one, can i they tell us how many names our SGGS had since its compilation. This is again a phoney issue brought out by detractors of khalsa. Sikhs like me did not know much about dasam Granth four years back. Its criitcism awakened me. Instead of following detractors blindly i read it and found it a beautiful writing of our tenth master. Its slanderers will awaken more sikhs and this forgotten Granth will attain its past glory.
October 29, 2008 - 2:03am Mike Singh

Hazur Sahib Maryada

These 'path-bodh' samagams are an established practice of learning and recital of the Sikh scriptures. This particular Gurudwara where the Smagam took place is a an Akali Nihang Gurudwara. The various Gurudwaras aropund Hazur Sahib all preach both the sancity of the Guru Granth Sahib and the Sri Dasam Granth. The two Takhts where both the Dasam Granth is housed namely Patna Sahib and Hazur Sahib is not an anomaly but a puritan practice, interesting the Sri Dasam Granth was venerated at the Akal Takht prior to the 1950's. As all the Samprayadas and the Takht Jathedars, SGPC agree on this event just like like Sikh history shows that the both Granths are to important to the Sikhs and hence this event is to be comendended. All the speakers explained that many anti panthic forces were hell bent on trying to destroy sikh unity and this will not be allowed to happen so people like Ragi Darshan Singh has failed in his miserable attempt to denigrate the 300 sal celebrations. If people dont like the pictures of Hazur Sahib on their TV, then they need to switch it off as these practices will continue as thay have done so.
October 29, 2008 - 3:24pm Mike Singh

And this what happens when you go against the Maryada

An American Sikh had a miraculous escape when he was attacked by followers of a Sikh sect, for raising objection over the slaughtering of a goat and then applying ‘tilak’ of its blood on weapons. The American Sikh was dragged by them into the Takht building. However, he was saved on the intervention of some saner elements with the help of the Maharashtra police. Tribune News October 30, 2008
October 30, 2008 - 10:45pm Gur-Kukkar

Think what'll happen when you go against Guru Granth Sahib

Mr.Mike, From the title you have given to your article, you seem to be taking pride in an ugly incident which has proved to be a black spot on the face of Sikh panth. I think this needs an appropriate reply on behalf of the entire Sikh Panth which is that we should all hang our heads in shame for the dastardly act of attack on an American guest who is a Sikh by choice, by a particular Sikh sect, for opposing the Brahmincal rituals of applying tilak and sacrificing animals at Hazoor Sahib. We should also publicly render an unconditional apology to the Sikh gentleman and appreciate his effort and courage to act according to the tenets of Guru Granth Sahib which condemns all kinds of ‘karam-kands’/ superstitious rituals. He has performed a feat which was the duty of our spineless leadership. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEN AND HOW AND BY WHICH BHAI/GRANTHI/SANT ETC., THESE SO CALLED PURATAN MARYADA/REETS/PARAMPARAS WERE STARTED AT HAZOOR SAHIB ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT OUR PRESENT AND ETERNAL GURU, SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB, CONDEMNS ALL KINDS OF BRHAMINCAL RITUALS AND WE SHOULD DARE NOT GO AGAINST OUR GURU. It is unfortunate that on the pretext of puratan reets/paramparas etc. the tenets of our Guru Granth Sahib are being wittingly flouted by Jathedars and unwittingly by the innocent Sikh sangat which includes the likes of you. THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU GO AGAINST THE TENETS OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB.
October 31, 2008 - 12:53pm Mike Singh

Try you luck

If I went to your house i would be expected to abide by your rules in the same way anyone who visits the Takht and the surounding Gurudwaras should abide by theirs. The Maryada around Hazur Sahib is based on 1) Shastar Puja 2) Combined respect of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Sri Dasam Granth 3) Chatka and other practices. These pratices dont take place in isolation and hence some of these pratices are part and part of the Nihangs maryada. It is unfortunate for this guy but you must be crazy to question the Nihangs in the middle of their practices. Many people may not agree to the practices there but they do the sensible thing of paying their respects to Guru Granth Sahib and carrying on. If you are so unhappy with yourself and your belief system maybe you should go and try and question these practices yourself. Good luck to you.
November 1, 2008 - 2:27pm Gur-Kukkar

Mr.Mike, Hi, Please stand

Mr.Mike, Hi, Please stand corrected we are talking about a Gurudwara and not somebody' private bunglow where one has to abide by the owner's rules. Gurudwara is not a private property and are supposed to run on a set of contitutional regulations which cannot be different for different people. (You seem to be enjoying this fracas, you are making this into a game of yours and theirs. DIVIDE AND RULE.-------------------------BUT I STILL REITERATE THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER WHEN AND HOW AND BY WHICH BHAI/GRANTHI/SANT/NIHANG ETC., THESE SO CALLED NIHANG MARYADA/PURATAN MARYADA/REETS/PARAMPARAS WERE STARTED AT HAZOOR SAHIB ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT OUR PRESENT AND ETERNAL GURU, SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB, CONDEMNS ALL KINDS OF BRHAMINCAL RITUALS AND WE SHOULD DARE NOT GO AGAINST OUR GURU. It is unfortunate that on the pretext of puratan reets/paramparas etc. the tenets of our Guru Granth Sahib are being wittingly flouted by Jathedars and unwittingly by the innocent Sikh sangat which includes the likes of you Mr. Mike. So you admit that there is jungle raj out there and anybody who dares will be beaten up and dragged around .Don't worry Mr. Mike Akal Purakh Will set evrything allright. bye.
November 2, 2008 - 10:11am lakwinder singh

Where are you Mr Kukar aka

edited
November 3, 2008 - 5:46am Gur-Kukkar

Edited

Mr. Lakwinder Singh, Could you throw some light on why your comment has been edited.
November 3, 2008 - 11:04am lakwinder singh

I really do not know. may be

I really do not know. may be some points were repeated.
November 2, 2008 - 8:04am Mike Singh

Sit down and take notes

Get your facts right Chatka does not take place in the Takht itself but in the various precincts around it and the other precincts of other Gurudwaras at Hazur Sahib. Get your facts right everybody is free to go in to any Gurudwara and the Hazuri Sikhs did not stop the guy going in. If the Hazuri Sikhs are undertaking their Puritan maryada then who are we to challenge these age old ideas. Some of these practices take place in the Punjab as well as so this is not peculiar to the Hazuris either. Just because you dont want to consider these ideas you will attempt to subvert that these practices are Brahminical, easy solution for person lacking in any kind of research. The "Jungle Raj" term is a total disrespect to the Khalsa, it is these same people who saved the Khalsa from the clutches of tyranny. Guru Gobid Singh gave gurt-ta-gadi at Hazur Sahib first and hence you want to pick and choose what want you think is acceptable to your own mindset. It is no what you say but the Maryada of Hazur Sahib which is important and if you dont like it then dont judge others.
October 31, 2008 - 11:22am lakwinder singh

Mike has said that do not

Mike has said that do not mess up with belief system of others. Nothing more than that. Why you are bringing in jathedars in this discussion. Did they do anything wrong? Were they involved in this episode? Please let us know. Do not bring in SGGS ji in this discussion. Nobody is passing any remarks on SGGS JI.
October 29, 2008 - 1:27am dalbirk

Dasham Granth Da Paath Bodh

I wonder for what occasion they have gathered there ? Is it for 300 years Gurta Gaddi celebrations or Parallel installation of Dasham Granth with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji . I previously thought that the Badals have learnt their lessons in recent Panchayat Elections when BJP( RSS ) candidates stood in front of SAD(B ) & bad blood followed . BJP(RSS) has its presindent Rajinder Bhandari ( Punjab ) saying to the extent that the next Punjab CM will be a Sikh from the BJP(RSS) party . But I now suppose Badals have pawned everything to the RSS including Sikh Panth . I find the following things objectionable in Gurta Gaddi celebrations at Nanded ( Hazur Sahib ) 1 . The parallel Prakash of Dasham Granth alongwith Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji . 2. The Ardass is so Brahminised & Demeaning , Ganga Godavari Ishnaans r mentioned , so many extra lines r spoken 3 . The Aarti done is with lamps & jots which is exactly the way it is crticised in the Sikh Ardass & forbidden in Sikh Rehat Maryada . 4 . The celebrations were as per Sanatan calendar which is Brahmin calender & not the Panth approved Nanakshahi calendar . 5. Each & everything forbidden in SIKH REHAT MARYADA is done there , it is so insulting & helpless when one watches all these thing telecasted LIVE on television with all other family members sitting alongwith u who r less knowledgable . the list is long but I feel following things should be done at Patna Sahib & Hazur Sahib without furthur delay : 1. As at Sri Akal Takhat Sahib ,Parkash of only one Swaroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji should be done . 2. At both the Takhats , Panth approved Sikh Rehat Maryada should be brought into practice immediately . 3.The organisational structure of Takhat Sahibs should be freed from Governmental control & brought under independent Panthic adminstration . 4 . The supereme authority of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib should be involved to bring peace & harmony among all Takhats . Regards , Dalbir Singh
October 29, 2008 - 7:04am lakwinder singh

Dalbir singh virk You are

Dalbir singh virk You are like a typical missionary showing your colors now. Earlier you were hiding these colors when you were having discussion with me while promoting SMC Ludhiana. Let me apprise you Dasam Granth was in prakash at akal takhat too till 1942. In that year its akhand path was held at akal takhat by Mohan singh who was Jathedar of akal takhat as well as SGPC president. May be it was set aside by ignorant sikhs and it is staging a comeback when it is being denigrated by anti sikh elements. That is what happens when history of minorities are scuttled and that is the time they satge comeback.
October 29, 2008 - 3:42am singhland

sanatan calendar?

Since when Bikrami calendar became a sanatan calendar or a brahmin calendar? Mind it, if there is any calendar that got the approval of Guru Sahibs themselves, it is the Bikrami calendar. They used it on their hukamnamas etc. This doesnt mean that Sikhs should not have their own calendar. But the way Nanaksahi calendar has been drafted by one individual, and then implemented hastily over the whole panth is unfortunate. Till the controversies surrounding the Nanakshahi calendar are resolved, the one in the present form will not be accepted by the whole panth. Even if a Sikh calendar comes into existence, Bikrami dates will still hold importance to Sikhs, for the Gurus themselves used them.
October 29, 2008 - 1:21am singhland

some facts..

First: Sri Dasam Granth is the second most respected scripture of the Sikhs. Second: Sri Dasam Granth is the source of our nitnem, amrit sanchar and adras. So mind your words when addressing this scripture. Third: Performing 'path-bodh' samagam doesnt mean that it is been given the status of the 'Guru'. Fourth:Sikhs give respect to their scriptures and emphasise on their reading and understanding. So doing the same for the scripture that contains the banees of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib in the place where Guru Sahib breathed his last is not suprising. Remember sikhs are also celebrating 300 saal of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib's jyoti-jot along with 300 saal of the Gurta gaddi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Fifth: Even bhog of path-bodh samagam was done under the auspices of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Giani Gurbachan Singh didnt bow to Sri Dasam Granth, but to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and he took hukamnama from there. Sixth: There is no historic evidence to suggest that Sri Dasam Granth was called Bachittar Natak Granth. However earlier manuscripts (one from 1698 AD) bear the name 'Dasven Patshah ji ka Granth'. Seventh: Its advicable to do some positive research instead of relying on the distorted words of Darshan Singh Ragi, Kala Afghana and Spokesman.
October 29, 2008 - 4:07am satnam_anand

You can get the evidence of Bachitar Natak from any.....

SinghLand Ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh. It would be very nice to address you by a proper name because the present one sounds absurd and seems weird. Coming to the debate I will try convincing you point wise in the spirit of Gurbani, “ROSS NA KIJE UTTAR DIJE” FIRST: You can get evidence that Bachittar Natak is the real name of the book which is presently being called dasam granth, from your so called Takhat Jathedars currently in service namely S.Iqbal Singh, S. Kulwant Singh, S. Gurbachan Singh, S. Baldev Singh Nandgarh, S. Tarlochan Singh or the former Jathedars like S. Joginder Singh Vedanti and S. Puran Singh. (LET ANY ONE OF THOSE NAMED HEREIN DENY THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT BACHITTAR NATAK AND I WILL RENDER MY UNCONDITIONAL APOLOGY)
October 29, 2008 - 4:46am singhland

What's in the name

Satnam Anand Ji! Well you have proposed the name of the Granth as Bachittar Natak Granth. Why dont you provide evidence for that. There are manuscripts available from as as old as 1698 bearing the name 'Dasven Patshah Ji Ka Granth' Moreover names of Granths change and evolve and it is quite normal. Sri Guru Granth Sahib was called by different names, 'Pothi Sahib', 'Aad Granth', 'Aad Guru Granth', Sri Guru Granth' etc. So what is the point. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh...has its origin from 'Dasven Patshah Ka Granth' itself
October 28, 2008 - 5:36pm satnam_anand

How unfortunate.......

Celebrations of 300 years Gurta Divas of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and glorification of a controversial book and that too by the so called Jathedars or should we call Thakedars. How unfortunate. There is nobody to question these wise men why they are violating the orders of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or do they consider themselves to be greater than the Guru himself. Giani Kulwant Singh says that various panthic Jathebandis who do the Santhia of Guru Granth Sahib should also undertake the Santhia of Dasam Granth, perhaps for him Santhia Guru Granth Sahib alone is not good enough. Though the entire Sikh World knows Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave Gurgaddi to Guru Granth Sahib ji and ORDERED HIS SIKHS TO BELIEVE ONLY AND ONLY IN THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB ( AFTER HIS JYOTI JYOT SAMANA) WHICH IS COMPLETE (SAMPOORAN) GURU, WHY THESE JATHEDARS ARE MISGUIDING THE COMMON SIKHS. IT IS INDEED VERY UNFORTUNATE. I pray to God to bless the Sikh Sangat with knowledge to see through the evil designs of the anti panthic activities being imposed upon them at Hazoor Sahib in the garb of 300 Saala Ceremony and BELIEVE ONLY IN THE ORDERS OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI TO BOW ONLY IN FRONT OF JUGO JUG ATAL SAHIB SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AND NO OTHER BOOK/POTHI. SANGAT SHOULD FOLLOW ONLY THE ORDERS OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI AND not of the sugar coated sayings of self proclaimed Sants/Babas/Gianis/Jathedars/Leaders/SGPC Members or Badal & Co.
October 28, 2008 - 3:26pm satnam_anand

Why glorification of a controversial book on pious occasion...

It is a universally accepted fact that GURU GOBIND SINGH JI gave the GURU GADDI TO GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI and the Sikhs all over the world have recently celebrated the 300 year of the GURTA GADDI DIVAS according to the Sikh Calender i.e. the NANAKSHAHI CALENDER. Guru Gobind Singh Ji categorically ordered his Sikhs that after his death their GURU will be only GURU GRANTH SAHIB and that the head of a Sikh should bow only and only in front of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB. It is also beyond doubt that no other book or pothi was given this honour by GURU GOBIND SINGH JI and it is also very clearly mentioned in the PANTH PARVANIT Sikh Rehat Maryada,of SRI AKAL TAKHAT SAHIB, published and issued by the supreme body of Sikhs the SHIROMINI GURUDWARA PARBANDHAK COMMITTEE - that no other book or Pothi or Granth should be treated at par with SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ, or in simple terms a place where there is Parkash of GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI no parkash of any book/Pothi can be done, THEN WHY OUR SO CALLED JATHEDARS OF SRI HAZOOR SAHIB ARE HELL BENT ON VIOLATING GURU GOBIND SINGH JI'S ORDERS BY GLORIFYING A CONTROVERSIAL BOOK 'BACHITTAR NATAK' ( now renamed dasam granth) by not only keeping at par with Guru Granth Sahib but also doing its parkash in Holy Presence/Parkash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. WHY ARE THEY VIOLATING THE PANTH PARVANIT REHAT MARTYADA, (THEIR OWN CREATION) on the pious occasion of 300 year celebration of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB (which they are now celebrating according to the BRAHMIN-CALENDER) why they are misleading the Sikhs by doing Path-Bodh (recitation and understanding) samagams of BACHITTAR NATAK (dasam granth) rather than that of SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB as is being done all over the world. MORE SURPRISINGLY WHY ? ON WHAT COMPULSION GIANI GURBACHAN SINGH, MUKH SEWADAR (THE SO CALLED JATHEDAR) AKAL TAKHAT SAHIB, INSTEAD OF OBJECTING TO THE WRONG DOINGS OF THE JATHEDARS OF HAZOOR SAHIB, IS PARTICIPATING IN CELEBRATION CEREMONY WHERE THE ORDERS OF GURU GOBIND SINGH JI ARE BEING BLATANTLY VIOLATED. GIANI GURBACHAN SINGH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO BOW HIS HEAD IN FRONT OF A CONTROVERSIAL BOOK AS THE HEAD OF AKAL TAKHAT SAHIB. He is answerable to the Panth for laying a wrong precedent for innocent Sikhs who respect the position he holds in high esteem and follow him.
October 29, 2008 - 9:16am lakwinder singh

Those who are allergic to

Those who are allergic to the name of part of Dasam granth need to read this also. ਸਗਲ ਦੁਆਰ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਕੈ ਗਹਿਯੋ ਤੁਹਾਰੋ ਦੁਆਰ ॥ ਬਾਂਹਿ ਗਹੇ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਅਸਿ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਦਾਸ ਤੁਹਾਰ ॥੮੬੪॥ सगल दुआर को छाडि कै गहियो तुहारो दुआर ॥ बांहि गहे की लाज असि गोबिंद दास तुहार ॥८६४॥ O Lord ! I have forsaken all other doors and have caught hold of only Thy door. O Lord ! Thou has caught hold of my arm; I, Govind, am Thy serf, kindly take (care of me and) protect my honour.864. ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੇ ਰਾਮਾਇਣ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ॥ इति स्री बचित्र नाटक ग्रंथे रामाइण समापतम ॥ From Ram Avtar, Dasam Granth
October 29, 2008 - 6:57am lakwinder singh

What do you mean by

What do you mean by controversial book. It is granth of tenth master. Give us reference from sikh history of 300 years where it is mentioned controversial book. Leave aside a Hindu converted Bhag singh ambala and later on additions to this thugs gang like kala afghana etc etc. supported by phoney missionaries whose education level ends at 10th grade.

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