Saving Punjab

September 15th, 2009 by Geoffrey C. Ward Source: www.smithsonianmag.com

My wife says I suffer from an “India problem.” She’s right. I lived in New Delhi as a teenager during the 1950s, came home to college at 18 and managed to stay away from India for a quarter of a century. But over the past 26 years I’ve been back more than 20 times, sometimes with a legitimate excuse—an assignment from one magazine or another—but mostly because I now can’t imagine life without a regular dose of the sights and sounds and smells I first knew as a boy, can’t bear not seeing the friends I’ve made there.

When the editors of Smithsonian asked me to pick a place I’d always wanted to see, it took about ten minutes to settle on Punjab, the north Indian state that was brutally halved between India and Pakistan after they won their independence from Britain in 1947. The Delhi I knew growing up—my father was stationed there, working for the Ford Foundation—had only recently been transformed into a largely Punjabi city by the influx of more than 400,000 Hindu and Sikh refugees, all of them haunted by bitter memories of the violence of Partition that had forced more than ten million people from their homes on both sides of the border and may have cost a million lives. Virtually everyone I knew had memories of Punjab. The tutor who struggled to teach me high-school math had stumbled across much of it on foot. His elderly mother, whose gently spiced samosas I can still taste, somehow made it, too. My two closest boyhood friends were Sikhs whose poultry farm on the outskirts of Old Delhi adjoined a sprawling tent city still crowded with Punjabis awaiting new homes seven years after they’d been forced from their old ones.

I’d always wanted to see something of the world they’d left behind. I’d had glimpses: I hunted in those bad old days, so my friends and I sometimes strayed across Punjab’s border in search of game. But I’d never been to Amritsar, the city that is to Sikhs what Mecca is to Muslims, Varanasi is to Hindus, Jerusalem is to Jews and Rome is to Catholics. Nor had I seen the lush countryside around it where some of the most appalling violence of Partition took place and where relics of Punjab’s history lie scattered everywhere.

Two people who know the region well agreed to accompany me, the photographer Raghu Rai and his wife, Gurmeet, herself a Sikh and also a conservation architect consumed by a desire to help save all that she can of Punjab’s historical heritage. They, too, are haunted by Partition. Raghu was a small boy in 1947, living in the village of Jhang in what is now Pakistan, but he still remembers fleeing with his family out the back of their house as an angry Muslim mob banged on the front door. Gurmeet, too young to have firsthand memories of the division of India, comes from a clan that includes both Sikhs who fled from Pakistan and Muslims who stayed behind. When she returned to Delhi from a visit across the border to her family’s ancestral village in 2000, she recalled, “It was a homecoming from a place which felt quite like home.”

Golden Temple in ArritsarThe Grand Trunk Road runs for 1,500 miles from Kolkata on India’s eastern coast all the way to Peshawar on Pakistan’s western edge. A 170-mile section of the ancient trade route—now designated National Highway Number One—cuts diagonally across the Indian Punjab. “Truly,” Rudyard Kipling wrote in Kim, “the Grand Trunk Road is a wonderful spectacle….bearing without crowding…such a river of life as exists nowhere else in the world.” That river flows far faster now and is no longer uncrowded. Kim and his contemporaries moved mostly on foot; the fastest travelers rode in horse carts. Now, big gaudily painted trucks race past one another in both directions, blaring horns and spewing black exhaust. Motorcyclists weave among them, wives and small children clinging on behind. Bicycles and sputtering motor-rickshaws join the flow; so do jeeps that act as country taxis and spavined buses so oversold that a dozen or more men ride with the baggage on the roof.

The brilliant green of the countryside through which all this traffic elbows its way is broken only by the trees that set one wheat field apart from the next and by occasional patches of brilliant yellow mustard. Punjab is the heartland of the Green Revolution that turned India from a country that could not feed its people into an exporter of grain.

Gurmeet knows nearly every inch of this highway. As a young architect, she spent a season in 1993 with the U.S. National Park Service, helping to survey historic structures along the C & O Canal between Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, and Washington, D.C. After she returned to India, she persuaded a number of funders, including Unesco and the Indian National Trust for Art and Cultural Heritage (INTACH), to let her lead a team that would create a similar inventory of all the unprotected monuments along the Grand Trunk Road in Punjab. Nothing like it had been attempted before.

It’s not easy to tell old from new in India. For most historic structures, there are no laws to prevent damaging alterations or outright demolition. Nonetheless, Gurmeet and her team managed to identify and document some 1,100 historically or architecturally significant structures along the Punjabi stretch of the ancient highway. Their list includes everything from the former palaces of feudal rulers to the rock-hewn wells that once served their tenants; from Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras and Christian churches bustling with believers to the lonely roadside tombs of Muslim saints, left behind by those who fled to Pakistan but still visited weekly by Sikh and Hindu farmers in search of miracles. All but a handful of Gurmeet’s discoveries are deteriorating and unprotected. To an outsider, the task of rescuing more than a fraction of them seems almost insurmountable. Gurmeet just smiles. “Let’s see,” she says.

No city in the Indian Punjab has witnessed more history or is home to more historic sites than Amritsar. Its name combines the Sanskrit words for the sacred nectar of life (amrita) and for lake (sarovar), a reference to the pool within the precincts of the Golden Temple of the Sikhs that is believed to wash away sins. But at first glance, there’s nothing celestial about it. The narrow streets are clamorous, dusty, claustrophobic. Home to more than a million people, Amritsar has long since spilled beyond the walls that once defined its borders, and even in the city’s oldest sections, most buildings are drab, run-down and recent.

Golden Temple in ArritsarThe Golden Temple, however, is a revelation. Sikh men are identifiable by the turbans and beards their faith requires the orthodox to wear, but their distinctive theology and remarkable history remain little known beyond India’s borders. Their most sacred shrine embodies both. We joined a stream of chattering pilgrims and, with covered heads and bare feet, stepped through the main gateway—and into another world. The cacophony of the city fell away. The waters of the broad sacred pool mirrored a brilliant sky. The sun gleamed on the white marble cloister that surrounds the pool and burned so brightly on the temple built on the island in its center that it seemed almost aflame.

The pilgrims around us fell silent. Some shut their eyes and folded their hands. Others fell to their knees and touched their foreheads to the ground. The complex is built at a level lower than the surrounding streets so that poor and high-born worshipers alike are forced to humble themselves by climbing down into it. Gateways on all four sides are meant to welcome people of all castes and creeds. Volunteers cook and serve thousands of free meals for pilgrims each day and insist that those who eat them do so side by side. “There are no foes nor strangers,” says Sikh scripture, “for we are all fellow beings.”

No one gawks here. No one demands money. Everyone seems content simply to be present in this holiest of places. The pilgrims make their slow, reverent clockwise way around the marble platform that edges the pool, past an old man with a white beard reaching nearly to his waist who gently lifts his infant grandson in and out of the sacred waters; a young mother on her knees patiently teaching her little girl the proper way to prostrate herself; a cleanshaven American Sikh, his head covered with a stars-and-stripes handkerchief, praying alongside his brand-new bride, her wrists hidden by bright red bridal bangles.

The goal of every visitor is to follow the causeway that leads out to the gilded sanctum sanctorum and pay respects to the Guru Granth Sahib, the Guru that is the sole object of Sikh veneration and was first installed there in 1604. Nanak, the first of the Sikh gurus (or “great teachers”) whose thoughts are contained within its pages, was a 15th-century mystic with a simple message: “There is but One God. He is all that is.” In the search for salvation, the only thing that matters is meditation on his name. “There is no Hindu,” he said, “there is no Mussulman.”

Whether or not Nanak ever meant to found a religion, Sikhs believe he did. And this place, where his teachings and those of four of his nine successors were brought together by the fifth guru, has special meaning for them. “It is, quite simply, the core of their…being,” the Sikh historian Patwant Singh has written. “It represents so many things they are immensely proud of: the vision of their gurus who gave it form and wrote the scriptures on the banks of the sacred waters; the courage of their forebears who died defending it; and the devotion with which others laid their abundant wealth before it in gratitude for the inspiration it has provided…over the centuries.”
That inspiration has been sorely needed. Always outnumbered, even in their Punjabi stronghold, the Sikhs have frequently found themselves under attack. They’ve never failed to fight back, against the Moguls who tried to exterminate them in the 17th century, the Afghans who razed the Golden Temple three times between 1748 and 1768 and the British who by 1849 had destroyed the sprawling 19th-century empire carved out by their ablest chieftain, Ranjit Singh. Later, Sikhs served out of all proportion to their numbers in the armed forces of independent India.

But the issue of Sikh autonomy has never fully been resolved. During the 1980s, bitter, sometimes bloody quarrels between the Indian government and elements of the Sikh community led to something like a civil war. In June of 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi ordered a military assault against armed militants holed up within the Golden Temple complex. It killed several hundred Sikhs, many of them innocent pilgrims, and left the sacred structure badly damaged. Just five months later, two of Mrs. Gandhi’s own Sikh bodyguards avenged that assault by assassinating her as she walked through her garden in New Delhi. Hindu mobs, egged on by politicians belonging to the late prime minister’s Congress Party, then avenged that killing by butchering some 3,000 Sikhs in the streets of Delhi. More than a decade of sporadic violence followed before relative peace returned to the Punjabi countryside. But resentments remain: calendars featuring romanticized depictions of Sikhs killed during the conflict are for sale in every bazaar, and as we drove away from the temple, a cycle rickshaw crossed in front of us with flattering portraits of Mrs. Gandhi’s assassins stenciled on its back.

18th Centruy Fortress - GobindgarhAs we negotiated Amritsar traffic, Gurmeet’s iPhone rarely stopped ringing. She now heads the Cultural Resource Conservation Initiative (CRCI), a multidisciplinary conservation consultancy with projects all over the country, but it is preserving the relics of Sikh history that means the most to her. We rounded a traffic circle marked by a battered Patton tank captured from Pakistan by a Sikh regiment and pulled up at a little guard post. Two watchmen peered curiously into the car window, recognized Gurmeet and waved us through. We were about to enter Gobindgarh, a 43-acre, 18th-century Sikh fortress with four mountainous bastions and a broad moat choked with trees. Ranjit Singh stored some of his vast treasure within its walls. The British Army occupied it. So did the army of free India, which in 2006 turned it over to the state of Punjab. It is not yet open to the general public, but in the middle of the old parade ground craftsmen are mixing traditional lime mortar in a circular pit. Under the CRCI’s direction they are shoring up the mammoth brick tower in which Ranjit Singh lived when visiting the holy city. Gurmeet has stopped by to make sure the color of the lime is right. But she has bigger plans, as well. There are rumors that an American-based hotelier plans to turn the fort into a luxury hotel for overseas Punjabis interested in revisiting the shrines of their faith without more than minimal contact with the real India. If he succeeds, she fears ordinary citizens will be kept out of this precious relic of their history.

‘”Freezing buildings in time may not work here the way it does in the West,” Gurmeet says. “There are too many pressures for change. But turning everything into tourist hotels won’t work either. Our historic buildings need to mean something to the people who live around them. We need to involve them in our work, to make them understand its importance.” To achieve those ends she hopes to undertake an overall management plan that would both provide for world-class preservation and supply visitors with the interpretive materials they need to understand monuments like this. (Since our visit, Gurmeet has been given the go-ahead by the Punjab government.)

That understanding has largely been missing in Punjab. In recent years, for example, Sikh congregations have been “improving” historic structures by bulldozing them and then constructing ever-more-lavish substitutes on the sites. “Somewhere along the line the original, unpretentious Sikh architecture has begun to be perceived as something to be ashamed of,” Gurmeet says. “Our gurus were simple, down-to-earth men of the soil, and their buildings reflect the simplicity and harmony Sikhism is all about.”

Wagah marks the western end of the Indian portion of the Grand Trunk Road. It is the sole crossing point between the two Punjabs; Lahore, the capital of Ranjit Singh’s Sikh kingdom and of pre-Partition united Punjab, is just 18 miles up the road. The formal flag-lowering ceremony that takes place at Wagah at dusk every evening of the year must be one of the oddest regularly scheduled events on earth. On the evening we visited, hundreds of eager onlookers streamed into specially built grandstands in the coppery light. On the Indian side, a big amiable crowd jostled one another for the best seats, men, women and children sitting together. In the roadbed, several busloads of teenage girls in brightly colored salwar kameez danced to recorded bhangra music. On the Pakistani side, a giant portrait of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the founding father whom Pakistanis call their Quaid-i-Azam, or “Great Leader,” looked down upon stadium seats in which men and women sat carefully segregated: men and boys on the left side of the road; girls and women (a handful in full-length burqas) on the right. Instead of dancing schoolgirls, three gray-bearded mullahs in green and white raced back and forth, waving huge Pakistani flags to whip up enthusiasm.

Mosque at Sri HargobindpurThe ceremony itself proved both impressive and ludicrous. As the spectators cheered and chanted “Long Live India” or “Long Live Pakistan,” squads of uniformed Punjabis from both sides of the border, picked for their height and fierce good looks and wearing turbans with starched coxcombs that made them look still taller, quick-marched toward one another till they stood only a foot or two apart. Then, they stamped and whirled, puffed out their chests and flared their nostrils in perfect military unison, each apparently seeking to out-testosterone his opposite number before hauling down their flags. I asked the major in charge of the Indian contingent how seriously his men took their nightly confrontation with their neighbors. He laughed. “We’ve been doing this for more than 20 years,” he said. “We know each other’s names. It’s all for the audience.”

It was the muted reaction of that audience that fascinated me. The region around Wagah had witnessed some of the worst Partition bloodletting. Since then, India and Pakistan have gone to war three times. A few weeks before my visit, fanatics trained in Pakistan had butchered more than 160 people in Mumbai. The people who had turned out to watch the ceremony this evening had grown hoarse shouting patriotic slogans. And yet when the flags were finally folded away and the big gates clanged shut, spectators on both sides drifted as close to the dividing line as the respective armies would allow, peering silently across the no man’s land into the faces of counterparts who looked so much like themselves.

Most of the monuments we’d seen testified to Punjab’s bloody past: battlefield markers; crumbling village walls built to bar marauders; gurdwaras that honor Sikhs martyred in battle against the Moguls; and Jallianwalla Bagh, the Amritsar park now filled with flowers and shouting schoolchildren, where, in 1919, a British commander ordered his men to fire upon unarmed civilians—killing at least 379 and galvanizing the independence movement.

But there are also sites that still evoke the mutual respect that characterized life for many Punjabis before the tragedy of Partition. Gurmeet led us to one of the most unlikely of them, the Guru ki Maseet, or “Guru’s Mosque,” in the old walled town of Sri Hargobindpur, west of Amritsar. Here, on a bluff overlooking the Beas River, a member of the Nihang Sikh order, justly celebrated for the ferocity with which it defended the faith against its enemies in the old days, stands lonely guard over a Muslim house of worship. His name is Baba Balwant Singh and he has been on duty here for more than a quarter of a century. The shrine he protects is a modest three-domed brick structure, barely 20 feet deep, with arched entryways so low that anyone much over five feet tall must duck to enter. But it has a truly extraordinary history.

Sri Hargobindpur is named for Hargobind, the sixth Sikh guru, who, according to tradition, ordered his followers to make a city of “unmatched beauty” so that “those who inhabit the town [should] be free of sorrow.” Those who inhabited it included Hindus and Muslims as well as Sikhs, and so, to ensure tranquillity, the guru made sure that adherents of all three faiths had their own houses of worship. But sorrow eventually came to Sri Hargobindpur in any case: Partition forced every single resident of its Muslim quarter to flee to Pakistan. Hindu and Sikh refugees took over the homes they left behind. Elsewhere, abandoned mosques were transformed into shelters for people or livestock—or demolished altogether.

Baba Balwant SinghBut this mosque’s unique origin made such actions unthinkable. “Nobody can damage this maseet,” the leader of the Tarna Dal band of Nihangs declared. “This maseet was established by our guru. If anyone tries to damage it, we will kill him.” His followers reverently placed a copy of the Granth Sahib inside the building and set up a 50-foot flagpole bound in blue cloth and topped with a double-edged sword; it let the world know the mosque would henceforth be under their protection.

The man who still guards it, Baba Balwant Singh, is a formidable figure in the lofty dark blue turban and blue robes of his order but is reluctant to talk about himself. If he does, he says, his ego might get in the way of his relationship with God. He dragged two string beds into the sunshine for his guests to sit upon.

Gurmeet explained she had come upon him and his mosque almost by accident in 1997. She had happened to climb onto the roof of a nearby gurdwara to get an overview of the town when she spotted a trio of little domes. The mosque was in bad shape. The little compound that surrounded it was overgrown.

Gurmeet saw a rare opportunity to work with the local community to restore a place venerated by two often-warring faiths. With funds and volunteers from a United Nations-sponsored project called Culture of Peace, and additional funds from the U.S.-based Sikh Foundation, she and her colleagues set to work. They trained local laborers to make repairs, visited schools to make children understand what was happening to their town, invited townspeople to see the work for themselves. But no Muslims were involved —there were still none in Sri Hargobindpur—and activists began to charge that yet another Muslim shrine was being usurped by unbelievers. It looked as though religious politics might destroy even this community-based project.

As Gurmeet talked, crows bickered on the compound wall. Children called from neighboring roofs. A buffalo bawled. Baba Balwant began preparing for us a special drink made only by the members of his order. Using a big stone mortar and wielding a three-foot-long pestle hacked from a tree, he smashed almonds, cardamon seeds, peppercorns and other ingredients into a paste. He deliberately left one element out of the recipe: the narcotic bhang that Nihangs reserve only for themselves. He folded the paste into a bright orange cloth and began dunking it into a steel bowl filled with a mixture of well water and milk from the noisy buffalo, then wringing it out.

Jallianwalla BaghIt took months of negotiating, Gurmeet continued, to reach an agreement between the Nihangs and the religious endowment that holds legal title to all Muslim property abandoned in 1947. Under its provisions, the Nihangs would continue to protect the building as their guru would have wished, but the structure would also remain a mosque—as the guru had also intended. After the signing, a band of blue-clad Nihangs sat respectfully by as the chief imam of the Jama Masjid mosque in Amritsar led a delegation of Muslim dignitaries through their evening prayers. After 55 years the Guru ki Maseet was once again a house of Muslim worship.

Baba Balwant gave his bag of spices one final squeeze, then poured the liquid into big steel tumblers and handed them out to his guests. It was white and almond-flavored, cold and delicious. We said so. “It is good,” he said with a pleased grin, “but if I had put in the secret ingredient, then you could touch the sky!”

I asked Gurmeet how she could have spent so much time and effort working to preserve such a modest building in such a remote location when so many apparently more important structures needed to be preserved.

“It’s not the building,” she says. “It’s the idea of the building, a shared sacred space.”

Before leaving Punjab, Gurmeet took us back to the Pakistan border once more, just outside the village of Dera Baba Nanak, where, between two guard towers, a Sikh regiment of the Indian Border Security Force has constructed a brick platform from which the faithful can look across the border into Pakistan and see, shimmering on the horizon, the white domes of one of the most sacred of all Sikh gurdwaras, Sri Kartarpur Sahib. It marks the spot where Guru Nanak spent 15 years preaching to his first disciples, and where he died in 1539. As he lay dying, according to one tradition, Muslim and Hindu followers began to quarrel over what was to be done with his body. Muslims believed it must be buried. Hindus were equally sure it had to be cremated. Nanak told each faction to place flowers at his side and leave him for the night. If the Hindus’ flowers were freshest in the morning, he said, his body should be burned; if the Muslims’ flowers were brightest he would be buried. Then, he covered himself with a sheet. In the morning, both offerings were as fresh as when they’d first been cut. But when the sheet was removed Nanak’s body had vanished. His followers cut the makeshift shroud in half. One piece was buried and the spot marked with a tomb; the other was burned and the site of the cremation indicated by a stone cenotaph.

As we started back down the flight of steps, a Sikh family was just starting up them, a young couple and their little boy, all three eager for even a distant glimpse of the place where their faith was founded and where its greatest teacher tried to demonstrate that in the struggle for salvation all Punjabis—and, by extension, all mankind—are one.

Geoffrey C. Ward is a historian who travels frequently to India.
Magnum photographer Raghu Rai lives in Delhi.

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This comment of 1% is directed to Romesh Kumar

I still do not understand why Romesh Ji is focused on matter (Punjab and India) and not the spirit soul and Sachkand) our final destination.

Brother KJ.............

Brother KJ, rather than alienate people like Romesh Kumar, why don't we try to welcome him into our faith? He strikes me as a perfect convert to Sikhism. Why push him away and fight with him, when we can work with good Hindus like him. The fact that he takes an interest in us and respects our history should speak loudly about what kind of person he is. Let's not alienate him. Remember, all Sikhs were Hindus and Mr. Romesh Kumar could very well be one our newest members.

Our Goal Is NOT to convert but to TRANSFORM every fallen Soul.

The Goal of a Sikh is to transform every fallen soul who do not surrender and serve the ONE supreme God and to bring them on the highest level of God realization, our western Sikh brothers and sisters, most are coming from the Christian and Jewish faiths , today they have been transformed , their thinking is on a higher level, no meat eating, no alcohol, no illicit sex, no drugs, these are considered sinful activities according to the 5000 year old Vedic teachings, our western Sikh brothers and sisters who are new comers to the faith believes in Kundalini Yoga, but the elevated and advanced Brahm Gyani knows very well that as new comers to the faith they have accepted the teachings of Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji and will progress to the highest level in generations to come, Sri Singh Sahib Ji could have only related to them on their level at the time. He never converted them , he transformed their thinking. They do not call themselves Sikhs but "KHALSA" the pure. Their last names are "SINGH". This was done by the MERCY of Sri Wahagurau Ji. This is the goal of Sikhism. You will never find western Sikhs and Vaishnavas promoting NATIONALISM, or superiority over other nations, of course they are Patriotic or loyal to their country, Sikhs are extremely Patriotic people and it is for this reason why Sikhs survived in every country they have lived in outside of India, while maintaing their rich spiritual culture. Why? because Sikhs focuses on the Atma and Param-Atma, and rejects the bodily conception of life, they do not identify with the material body , but the individual spirit soul width the body. This is NOT a new teachings, it is the original teachings of mankind, and it came from India. Sri Guru Grant Sahi Ji is a modified version of the original handbook of Mankind, The duty of every person who has taken birth in India is to TRANSFORM others and bring them on the highest level of God Realization and not to build bombs and kill innocent people and destroy the planet,unintelligent people do this sort of thing , its considered demoniac. It is not an easy thing to take birth in India, it is the highest birth after millions and millions of births. Brother PerryJi , Every single person who walked on Indian soil came from a Vaishnava Monotheistic School of taught, Guru Nanak Dev Ji' is coming from the Sun Dynasty, or Raghu Dynasty, (Ram Ji and Sita Ji.) Ram Ji appeared on this earth in Treta Yug which is about 2 million years ago. He was an incarnation of God, then Krishen Ji came in Dwapara Yuj about 5000 Years ago, and Sikhs believe that Guru Nanak Dev Ji is the incarnation of God in the Kal-yug, approximately 500 years ago. He came to re-establish Dharma. Other Vaishnavas believe that it was Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, but we do not fight over the incarnation of God. Our goal is to bring the world on the highest level of God Realization, and to take them back to the Kingdom of God. and that includes every fallen soul , be they Hindu, Muslim, Jew, or any one. Sikhs do not convert they Transform others, Thank you for responding brother Perry Ji , we have a big job to do, we must be very simple and straight forward in our approach. Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji rejects the concept of Nationalism, or attatchment to family and country, because it is all temperory. Anything material will be destroyed except the spirit soul. This is the message of Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji Maharaj.

K.J.Singh ji your ideology is

K.J.Singh ji your ideology is not much different from that of RSS,Hindu Shiv Sena and radical BJP.

K.J.SIR

Because I am Punjabi Indian, no matter where I live or work.Charity begins at home.Same thing applies to you, no matter which passport you are holding,you and your coming generations will be called Punjabi Indians.Hating and badmouthing our roots will not connect and take us to spirit,soul and sachkhand. YOU ARE POLLUTING, BOTH ANCIENT INDIAN PHILOSOPHY AND SIKHISM WHO PRACTICALIZED THAT PHILOSOPHY AND BROUGHT NEW ERA ON INDIAN SOIL.

"nor I am claiming to be 100% right"

If you do not know what you are talking about , brother please do not make 1% claim, simply because you talk from both sides of your mouth , and it just does not make sense , no different from some arrogant and confused Hindus with a demoniac mentality .

K.J.SIR

Because I am not 100%/perfect//master/guru. I am a learner/disciple/follower/student which means a SHISHYA in ancient Indian language and SIKH in Punjabi/Gurmukhi language.

yugrajveer s chauhan

Its all about freedom of write and speech of our opinion, Its not like fake contitunece "savidhaan" of the India, that has all rights in the paper/book only, but not in reality, "If Sikhs ask their rights/broken promises by nehru/gandhi in 1947, then sikhs become terrorist" .......Same fake constitute you are trying to implement here in the Sikhs own website...you can't see/tolerate the truth about hindus or India....We have full rights to share our opinion here.....These opinion are not a imaginery things/ideas, Truth is these opinions are reflecting the past incidents like 1984 Sikh masscre by hindus and hindu govt.......Regarding representing parliament, Percentage data given by you doesn't mean any thing, Because after 1984 Sikh masscre Majority Hindu people elected Rajive gandhi with 90 % Votes/parliamnet seats and justified the killing 1984 Sikh masscre....it was reward given to culprits for their deeds of mudering 5000 inocent Sikhs..............Regarding punjab militantcy period, More Inocent Sikhs were killed by militants compare to Hindus, Can you tell me how many hindus were killed in 1984 Sikh masscre??? not a single hindu !!! 1984 Sikh masscre hindu culprits and freedom fighters of punjab, the all were terrorists, but the difference between 1984 sikh mascre and and punjab millitancy was only, that Hindus/culprits of 1984 Sikh masscre were/are protected by hindu govt., police adminstration and in punjab all govt. power/police/admistration all were against them.......You must have heard/read about many times" Sikh terrorist or muslim terrorist"......Have ever heard "HINDU terrorists"....answer no never, because majority hindus have born right to kill any one for the name indian democracy....it was 1984 Sikh masscre or 2002 Gujrat muslims masscre..........please try to save hindustan from hindus first...

Shankara taught "I am God and You are God "Are You? Is this Hate

Please get to the point, are you aware Veer Ji that Hindus who follow the covered atheist philosophy of Shankararcharya claims that when they merge with Brahman they loose their individual identity, and becomes God, in other words they kill the individual eternal soul or atma. Every single Sikh guru condemned the teachings of Shankararcharya, they also condemned all of the "RITUALS", associated with the teachings of Shankararcharya, the rituals which are performed in Sikhism and Vaishnavism are all transcendental in nature, because it is designed to surrender and serve the One Supreme Lord , Sri Hari, and not to become God. (Shiva is NOT God) Such rituals are recommended in the ancient Vedic Literatures. Please explain to me the meaning of the word "Hindu" , and the philosophy of Shankararcharya and just how it relates to Sikhism, before accusing me of hatred, if you cannot, please do not try to defend a teaching and mundane rituals which is condemned in Sikhism and the ancient Vedic literatures . If our gurus condemn any Brahman who goes to the Himalaya , meditates and claims to be God, then intelligent Sikhs should follow their Gurus teachings and not be influenced by the sentimentalism as found in (Hindu/Sikhs) , for they have destroyed the purity of Sikhism, Hindu -Brahmans who embrace the covered atheist teachings of Arya Samaj, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aribindo, Shiviteeism, Swami Muktananda, Dr Sarvapalli Radhakrishna and a host of other hindu atheists are all associated with politicians who were the root cause of spreading hatred towards our Gurus, such hatred resulted in the massacre of thousands of innocent Sikhs, OUR children in western countries and India needs to be educated, and thats exactly what intelligent Sikhs are doing, always remember our misguided Punjabi Hindu brothers and sisters are sentimental people, they are being influenced by bogus Pundits and Gurus such as Baba Ramdev who promotes the sales of his toothpaste, Sikhs must be intelligent enough to condemn the "I am God and You are God " philosophy , they must learn to surrender and serve , and engage in Transcendental Rituals designed to SERVE the One Supreme God., and not practise some mundane ritual with the hope of becoming God or making money. We must stop wasting time and get to the point , by the way , the young lady in this photograph is a very beautiful person, but it would have been nice if her head were covered for the cameras, our young daughters must follow in the footsteps of the wives of our Gurus. Cover your heads please , its the Sikh way, !!! take lessons from our western Sikh daughters. It would have been nice if the brother was wearing a Pagree and her head were covered for Sikhnet.

yugrajveer s chauhan

Mr. Y.S.Chauhan ji, First of all, whatever K.J. Singh wrote in favour of sikhism or against hindu/non-sikhs....He write in the Sikh website not in any hindu/nonsikh web site....being a Sikh, He has full right/freedom to write in the Sikh web site...Your presence here to stop him is unjustify..... Secondly, In 1984 in Sikh- masscre , before brutally MURDERED innocent 5000 Sikh in 48 hours, How come Hindus forgot about the sacrifice made by the Sikhs???? Thirdly, Its true that Hindus have a lot of bad elements, they are representing Parliament/politcs of India by support of so- called good hindu like you....my question is, If hindus have bad elements too, then What the good hindus doing any efforts to stopping/removeing these bad elemnts from their oldest religion, except supporting/helping the bad elements to reach up to the parliament/politics..... Answer: Nothing....Just watching it...... Before posting your comments to stop any Sikh in the sikhnet, first of all clean your religion represting bad elements...

Mr K.J.Singh,sikhism came in

Mr K.J.Singh,sikhism came in being by denouncing hindu religious practices centuries ago.Who is asking you to follow hindu religion? Answer is ,no one nor any one is ridiculing sikh religious practices or ideology. FILE CLOSES HERE.Mr Sikh-learner,you have gone astray in your comments.You or he have full freedom to write in favour of sikhism but not against other religions in sikh web site. You have gone to the extent of questioning my presence.You can do so only inside the boundaries of your personal house/property or highest inside a sikh religious place not in public forums on internet.Sikhs and sikhism have their origin in India and I regard them as my fellow citizens followers of one of Indian religions and sikhnet as one of Indian websites unless you state otherwise.I condemn 1984 happenings in worst words but you can not generalize and blame a community as a whole for wrong doings of some individual/s.I do not think if any one who knows the history of India has forgotten about the sacrifices made by the sikhs.As of bad elements representing parliament, you do not sound to be educated enough to know the facts and figures of one bad side of democracy nor electoral system in a multi-party system.Average polling %age in India is 60% which means 40% registered voters do not cast their vote.In multy-party system the winner is necessarily not voted in by 51% or more of the voters WHO CAST THEIR VOTE which is of 60%. This 60% is further shared by many candidates.In practice emerged winner is choice of less than 20% people of that constituency. Further more how many of those 20% are aware and educated citizens in a poor and developing country like India? How many of them vote from their soul and conscience ? Bottom line is that winning election and reaching parliament of some one does not represent the psyche and ideology of masses. Last but not least, are you sure that all sikhs, all sikh politicians and all sikh religious leaders of today are neat and clean by 100% ?Can you tell me who were those socalled sikhs who were killing innocent,unarmed and defenceless hindus in and outside Punjab?Did they have support of sikhs like you or not?Were they being given shelter in sikh religious places or not? Also read and try to understand the comments of Mr Monsooncometh below.

The Atheists Hindus wants to put Sikhism under their "UMBRELLA"

It is against our teachings to slander anyone, and every faithful Sikh knows that. Every article I have written in the past condemns any one who deny s the existence of another world , The spiritual world , the Kingdom of God (Satchkand) and the Personality of Sri Wahaguru Ji or Sri Hari. the atheists hindus who follows the impersonalist philosophy of Shankararcharya (Shivitees) and Voidaism which is taught by Jainism and Buddhism robbed India of its rich spiritual Vedic culture, the average Hindu is an atheist and he does not even knows it. These demons are marrying all your daughters and are indirectly destroying Sikhism in a very subtle way, they have suppressed us and continue to do so to this present day. The problem with Sikhs is that they cannot distinguish the theist from the atheists, since they are all under the Hindu umbrella, and when we enlighten our fellow Sikhs or expose these demons they just don't like it and accuse us of being hateful, Well they are free to do so, but should do so on some other Atheist Hindu site.

Mr K.J.Singh &

Mr K.J.Singh & Sikh-learner,freedom of speech does not mean a license to blesphemy thereby hurting religious sentiments and feelings of other communities.You are doing this against your own teachings.Another wonderful comments both of you have added are "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" and "UMBRELLA". You are branding antinational thereby antisikh terrorists and killers of innocent human beings as freedom fighters.Sikhs are a thin minority spread all over india thereby already under a strong Indian umbrella with full freedom to follow and practise their religious faith as other communities in India do.Law and order problems in third world,dense populated and a country full of diversities are not uncommon happenings.

Mr. Chauhan

You have ignorantly dialled wrong numbers. K.J. SIR himself does not know what he keeps writing. His agenda, ideology, philosophy, sources and even faith is known to one and only one who is KJ SIR himself.Another member Sikh-learner is less a sikh-learner and more a communal-hatred-master. My comments are based on my own experience and exchange of views with both of them.Your profile suggests of your being a non-punjabi and non-sikh Indian who could have a negative impression of punjabiyat and sikhism by exchanging views with members like them.There are so many and strong majority of intellectual, impartial and unbiased members in the forum as Sikhs and Punjabis are synonyms with love ,nationalism, patriotism and sacrifice for others.This kind of people might have born in sikh families but they do not actually follow the teachings of sikhism. It is the same self-styled and self-proclaimed custodians of sikhism who have always dragged Sikh Panth into contraversies and brought one problem or another. They specialize in exploiting the religious sentiments of fellow Sikhs and hurting the same of Non-sikhs and even of fellow Sikhs who do not agree with them.They seem to have been inventing a new or their own kind of Sikhism.

Be Truthful and Change your Names to "SINGH" before commenting

Some Comments on Sikhnet are based on Bodily Conception. Sikhism is a Universal Religion unlike so called "Hindu Religion" as taught and practised by bogus Pundits and Gurus , the teachings of Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji focus on the individual spirit soul and the Spriritual world (Sachkand) , The word Hindustan, Hindu, India, and Punjab appears nowhere in the entire Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji. because these words are associated with the external inferior nature of Sri WahaGuru Ji , It is true that Sikhism came from the east, but its NOT the property of the East, its the Property of God, and should not be limited to India or Punjab. The Sun rises from the east but is it the property of the east?, absolutely not. This Sikhet was developed by new commmers to Sikhism, intelligent and blessed individuals, The average Hindu leader talks all nonsense and claims to be God, thats why Hindu India is the mess it is today, it’s the most corrupted nation on the planet, India produces the MOST untruthful leaders, India which once ruled the world because of her rich Monotheistic Vaishnava Vedic teachings has falllen to the lowest level spiritually , why? because of materialistic hindu teachings which is all associated with Bollywood and Lust/Sex, this is the truth, but the demons cannot accept it, their very own teachings condemn them. Please read the Personalist Vaishnava Version of the Bhagavad Gita, I was amased when I read this, this is Vaishnava teachings, and it is 99% consistent with the teachings of Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji. Bhagavad Gita Chapter #16 Text 4, Text 4 dambho darpo 'bhimanas ca krodhah parusyam eva ca ajnanam cabhijatasya partha sampadam asurim Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance--these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha. (Krishen Ji told this to Maharaj Arjun Ji on the battlefield of Kurekshetra 5000 years ago, and the Hindu demons says this teachings is all mytholigy , its not true, that Mahabharat was never took place, which is the biggest lie.)

K.J.SIR

(1) It takes altogether 100 rupees/U.S.$ 2 to officially change the name to the one of one's choice. What is more important is purpose and obligations attached to what one wants to claim to be. (2) All the religions founded by messengers of God or Sakar Roop of God are universal but still with regional touch based on prevalent customs&traditions, geography, history and political situation. (3) Hindu India (in your words, for me it is hindu/sikh/muslim/budhist/jain/christian/jews/all faiths India) is far and far better than other developing and third world countries in terms of everything, by all standards and scales.Of course she is not yet comparable to socalled developed world. (4) You wrote >>>>>>>Please read the Personalist Vaishnava Version of the Bhagavad Gita, I was amased when I read this, this is Vaishnava teachings, and it is 99% consistent with the teachings of Sri Guru Grant Sahib Ji.<<<<<<<<< then why did Guru Sahiban not ask us to follow that ? OR why did Guru Sahiban not add it to SGGSJi like they did to the Banis of other saints apart from Sikh Guru Sahiban ? ((I wrote in my post aove that you want to invent new sikhism)). I have great heartily respect for those saints/philosophers/rishis/munis/yogis who wrote those scriptures and epics of ancient India.I am proud of it that such human beings existed in the part of this planet we belong to. (5) I have not been told by anyone nor I am forcing my views on any one nor my purpose is to hurt the sentiments of followers of Hinduism nor I am claiming to be 100% right but my own and very personal belief is that those epics and scriptures were mythology written with sole purpose of advising about one Creator & His creations, about good-bad, about right-wrong, about duty/karma/dharma of different human beings.

Guru Nanak never died

Guru Nanak never died. It is silly to think he died like a regular human being or to think he was a regular human being. Guru Nanak was God. It really baffles me to think that most Sikhs do not believe in this basic fundamental of our faith. It interests me that whenever I say this fact, I am asked to authenticate my source. It is quite telling of the mindset of many who proclaim to be Sikhs that they would even ask such a thing. I have heard the silliest things, like Sikhism is pure logic or that the stories were madeup and the Sakhis did not actually happen. This type of talk is atheist at it's core and is diabolical at best. Scientists and unfaithfull Sikhs have yet to dispute the authenticity of Panja Sahibh or Pathar Sahibh. What part of those stories were made up? How do you explain Guru Nanak's handprint in a stone? This is something that we still don't have the technology to do today using heat. It has been independently verified that the handprint is a human being's hand and NOT an etching. Even with today's technology, we cannot mobily create that kind of heat. Steel, Iron, Platinum and all metals will melt faster than rock will. There was no way someone could fake this today, let alone 600 years ago. The beauty of Panja Sahibh is if you doubt it, you can buy a plane ticket and literally put your hands on it. I don't know why people avoid this subject. And why people who tie turbans don't believe in Guru Nanak for what he was. Satguru Nanak was beyond death. Death did not apply to him. That is why his body dissappeared. No one stole his body. It was well guarded. It simply was gone. Even the atheists admit that. Well, where did it go? Guru Nanak did things no other Guru or Bhagat did. I am going to list a few things that no other human being can top and these things actually happened. They are not stories, but real events that many witnessed. For an atheist, these things are intolerable and atheists are part of a religion themselves that does not believe in God. 1. Satguru Nanak ruined Rahi Bhullar's crops and restored them in minutes. 2. A King Cobra gave shade to Guru Nanak as a child. 3. He rode on the back of a whale to Sri Lanka. 4. In Bengal, he was attacked by witches who turned Mardana into a goat. He restored Mardana back to his human form and humiliated the witches. 5. Yogis attacked Satguru Nanak and tried using their powers on him. As it goes, it didn't work and the Yogis were humbled. 6. He was attacked by cannibal Kauda Raksh. Kauda Raksh was a giant who ate humans. He turned Kauda Raksh into Jell-O with his voice. 7. When a cannibal tried to kill him in Ladhakh with a rolling boulder, he sat in place, meditating. The rock melted around his body. Satguru Nanak's sillhouete can be seen in the boulder today and the rock is charred. 8. He stopped the rock with his hand at Hassan Abdal. This handprint can be seen today. 9. In Sindh, he was sentenced to death by drowning in front a packed crowd of Muslims. Despite tying him up and putting bricks to his feet and watching him drown, he re-appeared behind the crowd. Everyone thought he was a Ghost. Little did they know, you can't kill God. 10. In Bagdhdad, he was sentenced to death for blasphemy. A crowd gathered with stones in hand. He said "Sat Kartar" in an electrifying voice and everyone dropped their rocks. 11. He moved the city of Mecca with his feet. This was done in front of a crowd of Hajjis. 12. He made blood come out of an evil man's bread and milk come out of an honest man's bread. Again, done in front of many witnesses. I could go on and on and on and on and on. How much more proof do we need that he was God himself in human form? None. But, the faithless will never have enough.

" and where he died in 1539." Where is the Proof

Where is the proof that Guru Nanak Dev Ji "DIED" and did not dissapear as Sri Ram Ji , and Sri Krishna Ji ? If you want to deny that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was not an incarnation of God, thats fine, but you have NO proof of his death, and his cremation. The whole objective of this article is to deny that Guru Nanak Dev Ji was not God.

This Article is all Propaganda It has NOTHING to do with Sikhism

Could someone please explain how could this article elevate any Sikh spiritually, no reference is made regarding our teachings, its all "MAYA" the Punjabi Hindu Shivitee Demons uses westerners such as Mr Geoffrey C, Ward so that foolish Indians will be impressed by a western writer , (Remember Colin Maine whose articles were distributed by the RSS) they have used this writer to do their dirty work. The word Hindu is mentioned several times, and is associated with Banares . Hindu brahmans from the hell hole of Banares are Shivitees who are all covered atheists with a snake around their necks, all followers of Shankararcharya (I am God and You are God philosophy) who are our Gurus worst enemies. There is also a considerable amount of subtle hate in this article, but it is deceptively packaged and gift wrapped, all in the name of sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, .Shame on those who have put this nonsense article on Sikh net, . Please stop this foolishness , All Sikhs are NOT stupid. This is first class propaganda designed to blindfold Sikhs and mislead them making them sentimental, Sentimentalists are all into "MAYA".

Propoganda?

Propoganda by who? who are you accusing of propaganda ?! Smithsonian or suggesting it's travel journalist in a conspiracy with RSS? Pretty uneducated guess, please lean more about Smithsonian institute and its publications before you pen down some more hatred about other religions. Geoffry C ward has nothing to do with '"spiritually" in this article, nothing period. He is travel journist on assignment to cover punjab and it's heritage , about decaying historical, religous monument, sure he has commentry to give. His views are of a typical western (As you call them goras) about our religion and Sikh Gurdwaras none what so ever intended to put down Sikhism. "Shame on those who put this article on sikhnet" So every body should bowe down and accept your dictatorial views? You say "Hindu"mentioned so many times in this article? so? How many time Ram is mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib? Ours is universal religion of tolerence and acceptance, people like you spit out poison does no good to sikhs in general. Our Gurus had purpose a in mind when they included writing from Hindus and Muslims soofy saints in Guru Granth Sahib. So many bad apple in every religion and Sikhism and hinduism are not an exemption. I am probably not learned as much you are, as a sikh always learning. This article educated me about "Guru ki Masseet". Perfect example of Tolerence on part of our sixth Guru! Even after Martyrdom Guru Arjun dev ji He went ahead build a Mosgue and a Mandir. You think anybody else would have shown that tolerence and love and respect ! Simply no! Only he could do it! A perfect example for for my kids and grand kids! Who reads Smithsonion in US? Only very few! But all of them fairly educated into art, archeology , history , inventions, science and humanity and more ! Most of them hold fairly nice jobs including CEO's etc. Sure article like this help bring insight to outsiders about Sikhs who generally are beleived to be distant cousins of Osama bin Laden or Mulla Omar in US. Nothing comes out of nothing! So many positive messages in our religons please, lets spread them. "HUM NAHIN CHANGE BURA NAHI KOE". Just perfect example: Even Al Gore then vice Prisident of United States qouted "PAWN GURU PANI PITA MATTA DART MAHAT " to US congress in his speach trying get his enviornment laws passed.

This Article should have been published in a mundane newspaper.

They should have put former Vice President Al Gore to quote bani, instead of writing some mundane article which serves no spiritual purpose on Sikhnet, this is a spiritual website, and its intent is to convey the message of our Gurus, lets keep the art, archeology, history, inventions, science, Information Technology, Nuclear medicine, and mathematics in the Universities , and focus on the spirit. And good luck to all your CEO children in their future endeavors.

Mr K.J.Singh,this is in

Mr K.J.Singh,this is in continuation to my previous concerns over your slandering of non-sikh faiths, religious practices and symbols.You are a sikh, so please praise,preach and promote sikhism.This is the best and highest one can do for his faith and community.You should know that there has been no organised religion free of rituals at first place and sikhism is not an exception,secondly religion is synonym with ritual,thirdly religious practice, religious symbols and religious code of conduct of different religions are different.There is nothing better or worse of it, who claims so is nothing more than a fool.As of your anti-sikh concerns,please be informed that hindus are not anti-sikh.There are antinational elements and criminals among hindus who do not represent hindus or India nor they are in command of affairs.India is motherland of sikhs and they have contributed much more than their numerical strength in building of this nation, so it is antinational elements who could be antisikh.If a sikh is antinational then he is naturally an antisikh.I do hope you will try to understand.

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