How many times was Guru Gobind Singh Ji married and why?

[SportySardar]

Your husband has no right to equate himself to the Guru's in any way. And to think he is doing that to justify his shameful behavior. Please do not fall for his tricks. He has no earthly right to have an affair. Leave this man and do not try to reason with him. He will learn his lesson in due time and you will keep your self respect.

[cj]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Thank you all for giving me a better explanation on this topic. I am sure my husband is wrong.

cj

[deepharn]

This is my most humble response to the post by Serjinder Singh Ji. I sincerely wish that Serjinder singh Ji should also contribute to neutral topics.

On the basis of well researched, authanticated and documented work by Prof. Sahib Singh, Which Serjinder Singh Ji also acknowledges, Guru Gobind Singh Ji married Mata Jito Ji, named after marriage, as Mata Sunder Kaur JI.

This has also been documented by in sikhiwiki as well as in Encylopedia on Sikhism by Harbans Singh Ji at the following address.
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Mata_Sunder_Kaur

Now, the scholarly viel which Serjinder singh Ji is trying to weave in his argument is based on Bhatt Vahis, held by some ancestors of Bhatts, who were present at the time of Fifth Guru sometimes in 1600 AD. Serjinder Singh ji wants us to beleive some writings of some ambitious writer, well criticized already in sikh religion, who has just discovered some vahis, written by some descendents of these Bhatts who were writing history of sikh religion, five generations later. At least, Serjinder Singh Ji should know the difference between Piara Singh Padam and Prof. Sahib Singh Ji, before sharing such evidence with time-short/constrained cyber sangat - if moderator permits - when i read such posts, like that of Serjinder Singh Ji, i fell convinced that sikhi so far has survived despite such sikhs, not because of such sikhs - every possible chance is exploited to the hilt.

Finally, in the second last paragraph Serjinder singh Ji writes that "the reading of "Guru Granth" was begun in the ..."" Serjinder Singh Ji may kindly advise us that did Guru Granth exist then? Was this practise of reading Guru Granth exist then?

My most humble request to Serjinder Singh Ji, please forgive us, in the name of scholarly work, please dont peddle such work which is not authenticated, respected, well researched and above all is not known to be true, please Sir.

Most Humbly, Thanks please

[suji singh]

Deepharn Ji ---

You are entitled to your interpretations of history. Moreover, you are welcome to present your critique Serjinder's post. Most importantly, you are entitled to present your own historical research findings for cyber-sangat's consideration. However, you are not etitled to ad hominem comments since you have no proof that Serjinder is weaving a scholarly veil to deceive time constrained cyber-sangat.

I wish others present their views and historical research findings with the same depth, class, and humility as Serjinder.

[Khalsa.Fauj.13]

Well, this has been the biggest misconception of people that Guru Gobind Singh Ji had three wives/several wives.... And it is 'Misconception'..... Guru Gobind Singh Ji married Only and Only once to Mata Jito Ji who was renamed as Mata Sundari Ji after marriage as its a Punjabi tradition..... So people take Mata Sundari Ji and Mata Jito Ji as two different people but infact those two were the names for The One and Only wife of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.....

Bhaji, you say that this is a tradition in the punjab and you state it as if this is a matter-of-fact thing, if it is such a tradition in the punjab then why do so many people in the Punjab disagree with your theory? If this is such a prevelant thing then how come this "misconception" as you call it, has arisen? If all the punjabies know of this tradition and yet this "misconception" has arisen, how come ? Do they not know of their own traditions ?

Third was Mata Sahib kaur Ji whom Guru Gobind Singh Ji NEVER married.... She lived with Guru Gobind Singh Ji as a Sikh of the Guru.... The reason why some people regarded her as his wife is a different story.... I can tell you about that too if you like to....

I would think through very carefully what you have written here, you obviously have not thought it through.

Who is the mata of the Khalsa ? ................. Mata Sahib Kaur. Yet you state that she never married Guru Sahib Ji ? When Guru Ji put the Khalsa in Mata Sahib Kaurs "cholli" did Guru Ji not realise that she is not married to me ??? If Guru Gobind Singh Ji is the father of the Khalsa and Mata Sahib Kaur Ji is our mother can we really say that they were not married ???

Just to conform to modern western standards people will make up all manner of things.

1) Veerji, the tradition of giving a new name to the bride was prevalent in the old times.... Guru sahib married some more that 300 hundred years ago.... Traditions change with time.... Do you see any new bride changing her name after marriage now-a-days... ??? And there was no misconception at the time of Guru Gobind Singh Ji... The doubts and misconceptions have been developed recently as now a person with two names is somewhat unrealistic to people.... You can check the history too.... There is clear proof that Mata Jito Ji was Mata Sundari Ji......

2) Mata Sahib Kaur didn't have kids.... So on the ceremony when Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa Panth, he blessed Mata Sahib Kaur with Khalsa as her kids and said that she will be recognized as the mother of ever-existent and eternal Khalsa.....
We are sikhs of the Guru and we cannot have any idea of the reasoning our Guru had....

[Serjinder Singh]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Punjabi University Patiala engaged nearly 200 scholars (list given in the beginning of each volume) to complie Encylopaedia of Sikhism in 4 volumes. Late Prof Harabans Singh a renowned historian was the chief editor. For each entry, all relevant sources were searched and scruitinised. For entry on Jito ji, the following is the text:
(There is no value given here to views of Prof. Sahib Singh, not even mentioned in Bibliography. Prof Sahib Singh was no doubt an expert on Gurbani translation on the basis of his knowledge of Sanskrit and Prakrit. However, he was in no way a qulified historian) Sikhiwiki is not a reliable source of historical information. I think it is the voluntary work done for Sikhnet by a couple of volunateers not historians to pass judgements on serious historical issues.

Encyclopaedia of Sikhism, edited by: Prof. Harbans Singh; Published by Punjabi University Patiala, 1996; Vol. II, p 385.

“Jito ji, Mata, the first wife of Guru Gobind Singh who died in 1700, was the daughter of Bhai Hari Jas, a Subhikkhi Khatri of Lahore. The betrothal had taken place in 1673. The father – in – Law had desired that the bridegroom should come at the head of a marriage party to Lahore where the ceremony should be performed with dignity. But the fateful events leading to the martyrdom of Guru Tegh Bahadur intervened, and in the changed circumstances it was not possible for the young Guru to go to Lahore. Therefore, a temporary encampment was raised near the village Basantgarh, 10 km to the north of Anandpur, and named Guru ka Lahore where the nuptials were held on 23 Har 1734 Bk/ 21 June 1677. Three sons were born to Mata Jito ji – Jujhar Singh (14 March 1691), Zorawar Singh (17 November 1696) and Fateh Singh (25 February 1699). As Guru Gobind Singh was preparing Amrit for initiating the Khalsa, on 30 March 1699, stirring clean water in an iron bowl with Khanda or double-edged sword, Mata Jitoji, as the tradition goes, came with sugar crystals which were dropped into the vessel at the Guru’s bidding. Sweetness was thus added to the alchemy of steel. Mata Jitoji died at Anandpur on 5 December 1700. The cremation took place at Agampura, near Holgarh Fort. A memorial shrine now stands upon the spot.”

Humbly
Serjinder Singh

Nindo nindo log mo ko nido.
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Nindak hamre kapre dhowai
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Ninda baap ninda mahitari

[Bundha]

1) Veerji, the tradition of giving a new name to the bride was prevalent in the old times.... Guru sahib married some more that 300 hundred years ago.... Traditions change with time....

this is incorrect. If they were the same person there would not be separate gurdwaray dedicated to each.

2) Mata Sahib Kaur didn't have kids.... So on the ceremony when Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa Panth, he blessed Mata Sahib Kaur with Khalsa as her kids and said that she will be recognized as the mother of ever-existent and eternal Khalsa.....
We are sikhs of the Guru and we cannot have any idea of the reasoning our Guru had....

We do not know the reasoning behind many things our Guru Ji did, but Guru Ji was very very intelligent and guru Ji would not make a simple mistake.

Who is the father of the Khalsa ?
Who is the mother of the khalsa?

And you think that Guru Ji would no know the implications of Mata Ji and Guru Ji not being married ??? Come on yaar open your eyes, Mata Jito Ji passed away in 1700 while Mata Sundri lived in Dehli after Guru Ji ascended to heaven.

[lakwinder singh]

Historians/ scholars are human beings. They have their subjective views and many of them commit mistakes.
Harbans singh is no exception.

[himmat_singh]

Ek OnKaar Sat Naam

My most humble request to Serjinder Singh Ji, please forgive us, in the name of scholarly work, please dont peddle such work which is not authenticated, respected, well researched and above all is not known to be true, please Sir.

It is not becoming of anybody to speak of others in such terms.
Through open-mindedness do we learn. One can claim humbleness to one's hearts content, but if the words are mixed with much harsher words, (or actions), then claims are false.
Trying to inhibit civilised expression of viewpoints, whether they are expressed by ignorant people or learned scholars is a form of persecution. Everybody is born ignorant, but they can only learn if they are allowed to listen to others.
It would be such an ironic tragedy if Sikhs degenerate into a group that is intolerant of others.

Sat Sri Akal

[Khalsa.Fauj.13]

1) Veerji, the tradition of giving a new name to the bride was prevalent in the old times.... Guru sahib married some more that 300 hundred years ago.... Traditions change with time....

this is incorrect. If they were the same person there would not be separate gurdwaray dedicated to each.

2) Mata Sahib Kaur didn't have kids.... So on the ceremony when Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa Panth, he blessed Mata Sahib Kaur with Khalsa as her kids and said that she will be recognized as the mother of ever-existent and eternal Khalsa.....
We are sikhs of the Guru and we cannot have any idea of the reasoning our Guru had....

We do not know the reasoning behind many things our Guru Ji did, but Guru Ji was very very intelligent and guru Ji would not make a simple mistake.

Who is the father of the Khalsa ?
Who is the mother of the khalsa?

And you think that Guru Ji would no know the implications of Mata Ji and Guru Ji not being married ??? Come on yaar open your eyes, Mata Jito Ji passed away in 1700 while Mata Sundri lived in Dehli after Guru Ji ascended to heaven.

1) Well, if you are talking about Guru ka Lahore then you must read the history of it.... Its clear that Mata Jito Ji and Mata Sundari Ji was one and the same person..... You can google it too if you think I'm wrong.....

2) There is no doubt in it that our Father is Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Mother is Mata Sahib Kaur...... But what you are doing is that you are looking at their relation from social point of view..... You must read the history of Mata Sahib Kaur if you dont know that she was never married to Guru Gobind Singh Ji..... though Guru Sahib did announce Mata Ji as her wife publicly but there was never a marriage ceremony between them and they never had kids together.....
Guru Gobind Singh Ji took amrit from the 5 piyare and became Sikh himself.... So are you saying that despite making very clear rule of marrying only once in a lifetime, he himself didn't obey it.... ???

Come on yaar open your eyes, Mata Jito Ji passed away in 1700 while Mata Sundri lived in Dehli after Guru Ji ascended to heaven.

What... ??? This the weirdest thing I have ever heard..... Where is the proof of it... ??? Can you give some links... ???