Was Guru Nanak God?

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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby himmat_singh » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:11 am

Ek OnKaar Sat Naam

Discussion of the topic answers no question and cannot.
It is like asking whether God exists, or asking whether devils exist. Some believe taking baths in pools is beneficial, or making pilgrimages is beneficial. Others don't, and think it is completely ridiculous.
If someone believes Guru Nanak Dev Ji was God, then no amount of discussion is going to sway them away from this belief; the opposite will also be true - you cannot convince somebody that another person is/was God. Religious beliefs which revolve around notions of God, gods, devils, demons are all just and only that- beliefs alone, based on next to no fact at all. They are there for someone to accept or disregard, or to modify and develop. No-one can disprove them, or prove them. Gurbani goes a long way towards showing the light to anybody willing to pay attention, recognise metaphors for what they are, understand how words have been modified to ensure poetic flow, and read between the lines to understand the whole is a movement away from superstition, towards self-realisation, equality for all and truthful living. If someone wants to focus on one or two words, or couplets, or pages, then that is their free choice, and is what comes from freedom of religious choice. The fact that one million people believe one thing, or 20 million do, or all humanity does, proves nothing whatsoever when it comes to God. God is only known to one who believes; it is impossible for an unbeliever to understand the state of mind of the believer, and vice-versa. They simply see each other as fanatics, or as misguided or mistaken, and ultimately some end up in disputes or conflict over something they cannot prove or disprove.

Gurbani makes crystal clear that God is unknown, and any clarity of thought with regards to God comes from within. However no-one should need Gurbani to make this clear.The basis behind God, Gods and religions should be taught to all children by their parents, whilst they are children, and well before they begin to accept any one religion as truth itself.

gurmukh sayvaa mayray parabh bhaa-ee mai satgur alakh lakhaaray. ||4||
To serve, as Gurmukh, is pleasing to my God. Through the True Guru, the unknown is known. ||4||

naaree purakh purakh sabh naaree sabh ayko purakh muraaray.
Women and men, all the men and women, all came from the One Primal Lord God.

(Page: 983, Line: 3, Raag: Nat, Author: Guru Ram Das)

When one knows one's inner mind, one knows the nature of God.

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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby fiveshabds » Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:07 pm

Guru Nanak was a wave of the ocean of God.

What is the difference between a wave and the sea?

The wave comes up and then goes back down in the sea.

In the same way, Perfect Saints come up into the earth whilst being connected with the divine ocean and then re-enter the sea.

Its true God is omnipresent, but Guru Nanak was omnipresent because he was connected with God. Guru Nanak was not the Body, his real self was that Shabd and Nam that Divine Sound and Divine Light.
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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby drdln » Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:28 pm

No, he was not but I am posting a brief write up on "Concept of God in Sikhism." Here it is:

In various religions, God has different names and prophets are sent by God to eradicate evil from this world. In Christianity, for example, it’s God, in Islam it’s Allah. Jesus is the last prophet in Christianity and is considered as the beloved son of God. Similarly, Hazart Mohammed is the last prophet in Islam. In trinity concept of Hindu God Brahma (creator), Vishnu (sustainer) and Mahesh/Shiva (destroyer) are carnations that came to earth. Sikhism does not believe in the concept of incarnation of God. God does not come on earth in human incarnation as is believed in other religions. Sikh Gurus made it very clear that they were not God or image of God and should not be worshipped. Tenth Guru Nanak Guru Gobind Singh even put it in harsh words and said, “Those who call me God will fall into the pit of hell.” The Sikh concept is fiercely opposed to any anthropomorphic conceptions of the Divine. For Guru Nanak there is one and only one God (Ek “O” ੴ) who is limitless and is in the creation; and it’s us who give him different names. He is described both as immanent and transcendent. He is the creator of all things, yet He does not remain apart from His creation. When we say that God is both Transcendent and immanent, it does not mean at all that there are two parts or phases of God. It is the Transcendent God who is everywhere, in each heart, place and particle. It is He who is both sargun and nirgun which is matter and energy in science. All matter is a form created from formless Energy....

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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby Bundha » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:58 pm

Of course Guru Nanak Dev Ji is Akaal Purkh.

Dohra
har harjan doi ekh hey bib bichaar katch nahey.
The Supreme Lord (God) and His devotees are one and the same. There is no fraction of duality in them (no difference between them).
Jall tai upaj trarang jeo jall he bikhey smahey.
As a wave arising out of water (ocean) merges again into the same water. (Similarly God is comparable to the Ocean and His devotees
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby scali » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:46 pm

Of course Guru Nanak is GOD and so are you all. Separation is an illusion so is time. There was, is and always be ONE GOD and in this illusion some are more aware than others. But ones level of awareness does not change the ultimate truth.
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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby Bundha » Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:54 pm

To compare one with Guru Nanak Dev Ji - very foolish.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Was Guru Nanak God?

Postby scali » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:08 am

If there is only one GOD in multiple manifestations than how can it be superior or inferior to itself. This is all mind based illusions of judging, condemning, here, there, up, down ........ Just like an infant is as perfect as a grown up but mind will tell you otherwise. In the ultimte reality of oneness all other subrealities are possible due to ones free will, but all subrealities are still an illusion. The purpose of Guru sahib manifestation was not to show us how great they were but to remind us of our true self via simran. The experience of what you truly are can only be known by first uncreating what you are via mind usually by denying what you truly are via believing in maya.To truly know love (GOD) one must experience fear in muliple ways need, separation, judging, condemning, abandonment..........then Experience of oneness, you the localized self looking back at itself and beholding the magnifance that it truly is will be fully understood or appreciated. Its a play of consciousness.
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