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what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby bill33 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:55 am

what is the true meaning of " waheyguru ji ka khalsa, waheyguru ji ki fateh "
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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby Kuldip S. Virdi » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:38 pm

Literally it means that Khalsa belongs to the Waheguru (The God) and the victory to the Waheguru. It is a sikh greeting covering all times and ocassions.

Guru fateh.

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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby KamaljitSingh » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:26 am

You are fighting for Waheguru(read truth).Do not worry about victory or loss as they are not yours.They are of waheguru(read truth)and needless to say that truth is victorious at the end of the day.WJKKWJKF
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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby singhbj » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:27 am

Waheguru ji ka khalsa = The Khalsa Belongs To God
Waheguru ji ki fateh = Victory Appropriately Is Of God
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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby dalbirk » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:52 am

Bill 33 Ji ,
The verbal meaning is that" Khalsa belongs to Waheguru ( God ) & victory to Waheguru ( God ) ". The implied meaning IMHO shall be that since a Sikh ( Khalsa ) belongs directly to Waheguru ( God ) not worshipping or under guidance of anybody else & Waheguru ( God ) is all powerful , so Khalsa is the victor in every aspect ( battle ) & that victory is also of Waheguru ( God ) only & nobody else's .
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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby Serjinder Singh » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:35 pm

"Waheguru ji ka khalsa"
"Waheguru ji ki fateh"

is a pledge sikhs affirm initially at the time of baptism and later in life on meeting others.

The first part "Waheguru ji ka khalsa" is brief version of "(I am) Waheguru ji ka khalsa". Here we use the context of Mughal revenue terminology to declare that the person saying this part declares that 'He or She is the Khalsa of Waheguru alone' meaning thereby that he/she has allegiance to Waheguru alone, no one else, not to a mediator like a Jagirdar but the peasants in Mughal period paid revenue in Khalsa lands only to the emperor and not to any Jagirdar or landlord So they were the Khalsa of the Mughal Emperor. They were the 'Khalisah' of Emperor alone. So Guru ji created Khalsas who were subservient to Waheguru alone, none else. So, by saying 'Waheguru ji ka khalsa' we are declaring our allegianc to Waheguru alone, not to a Masand, not to a Sant, not even to Guru ji but Waheguru ji alone.

The second part can be understood by the example of Hindu Bhayyias in North India who on meeting each other say 'Jai Ram ji ki' or 'Jai shri Krishen' thereby declaring that they have allegiance to god Ram or Krishen. Similarly, we show our allegiance to Waheguru by saying 'Waheguru ji ki Fateh' read 'Waheguru ji ke Jai' because 'Fateh' in Farsi means 'Jai' in Hindi. This is similar to Nazis in Germany declaring 'Heil Hitler' to show allegiance to Hitler.

So, Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh means the declarer is saying "I am Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Subject" and I declare the 'Jai' of Waheguru alone.

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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby Lee Douglas » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:57 am

Serjinder ji,

That was a full and good explaination.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa,
Waheguru ji ki fateh!

I would translate that fully into English as:

The pure belong to God,
All victory belongs to God.

I have never really understood what 'Ka' and 'Ki' mean, can you shed any light on that?
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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby jaskaur » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:39 am

Lee Douglas wrote:
I have never really understood what 'Ka' and 'Ki' mean, can you shed any light on that?


"ki" and "ka" (also "di" and "da") basically means "belongs to" or more simply, "of". waheguru ji KA khalsa, khalsa BELONGS TO waheguru ji. asa DI vaar is the vaar OF (rag) asa.

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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby JSMARHALA » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:00 pm

Waheguru jee ka khalsa
Waheguru jee ki fateh
As is evident from the question, it is quite clear that Khalsa is of Waheguru (Almighty) &
Alsso the fateh ( victory-jeet ) is of Waheguru (Almighty ) So this eternal slogan conveys
GURU'S inspiration to HIS khalsa that u & ur victory (over the evils of religion -humainity )both of
WAHEGURU. This divine & powerful slogan was introduced by GURU GOBIND SINGH JI after the victory of
YUDH of Bhangani against Paharhi Raje in 1686 .

Waheguru jee ka khalsa
Waru jee ki fateh

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Re: what is true meaning of guru fateh

Postby waleeed » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:22 pm

Literally it means that Khalsa belongs to the Waheguru (The God) and the victory to the Waheguru. It is a sikh greeting covering all times and ocassions.
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