Why did sikhism take birth?

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Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Guest » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:38 pm

Can someone explain why did sikhism take birth?
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Guest » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:12 pm

When Aurungzeb wanted to convert all of India into muslim-land, Sikhism was born to stop his tyranny. Muslim rulers of Hindustan wanted one thing only, which was to convert all Hindus to islam. Sikhism was born to stop this from happening and to provide dignity to all those helpless people. Can we consider Sikhism, an antidote to islam?
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby gurmail » Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:23 am

Guru Nanak had a distinct message. The main message is spiritual liberation to be one with the creator. One of the corollary of that message is the stand against tyranny. Mool mantar is the beginning and the rest flows down as a consequence. Why did Sikhi came about? To understand that I guess one has to start with the question; why did Guru Nanak started to preach with Mool mantar? Clearly, he felt people didn't understand and needed educating. His ideas must have struck a cord, and seems to continue even today. That is it came about and continues to because the massage has an appeal.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Bundha » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:28 pm

Every age sends a great soul to show the common people the true. In Satyug they came, in Tratra and Dwapar they came and in Kalyug they came. Kalyug is the black age where there is the most corruption of the mind. Every one sent corrupted Akaal Purkhs message to their own end. The idea was to show the way but they all manipulated the message and corrupted it, read Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Nanak Was sent to show the true path which they did through ten saroops. Guru Gobind Singh Ji says that their SURAT was totally attached to the Lord but the Lord commanded that Guru Ji comes to this world to propagate Huis message, with folded hands Guru Ji says that only with the Lords assistance will Guru Ji do this, to root our evil and nurture the holy.

From its very inception, Gurmat (the Guru’s Path) has been declared a unique and distinct path.

Bhai Gurdaas jee writes: “In the world, Guru Nanak Sahib Ji established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a Path (of religion), devoid of any impurity.” (Vaar 1, Pauree 45 – Bhai Gurdaas Ji)

The concept of equality exemplified by Sikhi is not the result of a debate concerning religions. The Sikh concept of equality is an inward and outward acceptance of all and seeing everyone as a soul with the same divine father, rather than religious labels, which results directly from the practice of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee's teachings.When it comes to true enlightenment, or liberation, Guru jee is very clear about its unique nature and definition within Gurmat; and in doing so we are taught who and what really is The True Teacher. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji over and over stresses the importance of "Gurmat Naam". Without Gurmat Naam no one can merge in Waheguru or reach ‘Sach Khand’ (the spiritual Realm of Truth). In the House of Guru Nanak only Naam is found, the only tool to experience and merge into God.

“God has given this gift. Nanak’s home is filled with only Naam, the Name of Waheguru. ||4||4||” (Ang 1136)

Without Naam, no one can be liberated and merge with God. Gurbani is clear about this fact:

“Those enshrined the True Name within their heart, those within is the flowing current of Naam, and those whose con-sciousness is attached to the vibrations of the Guru's Baani obtain all comforts and liberation from Maya (the illusionary world). O Nanak! Without the Naam, no one is saved; You too swim across to the other side this true way in which there no chance of drowning. ||9||7||” (Ang 1013)

Sikhism is unique by the fact that it does not condemn others to Hell or say if you are not Sikh you are eternally damned. Rather a Sikh prays at least twice daily for "Sarbat Da Bhallaa", meaning the good and prosperity of all Humanity regardless of religion, belief or faith. "May the Divine-Name preached by Nanak be exalted. May all prosper and be blessed within Your Will." (Daily Sikh Ardaas)

Unless someone receives Gurmat Naam from Guru Nanak, there is no liberation. They will be rewarded for their good kar-ma, but not liberated. But they don't want liberation! Many desire heaven, and they will receive it. But then they will enter the cycle of births and deaths again, hopefully in a life, which will bring them closer to liberation.

Gurmat (Guru's path) respect of all religions goes as far as saying that they are not sent to eternal hell, they will get what they work for. Like Harmandir Sahib: God is open and available to all directions and all people of the world, but the path to God is ONE: Gurmat.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby swarn bains » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:04 pm

if Sikhism is the answer to obtaining salvation. then what happened to all others who were born and died before Sikhism came int existence. There must have been something otherwise all dead wait for dooms day
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Bundha » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:10 am

Bhaji,

Dharam has always been. From the very beginning it has been and those who follow it find liberation.
Those who followed it in satyug, Tratra yugh, Dwapar yug all found liberation.

Some introduced circumcision, some shaved their heads, some smeared ash over their bodies, some wondered off into the wilderness, some introduced ritual slaughtered meat, all forgot the true path.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby ADS » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:24 am

Sikhism was an offshoot from that society who follow the path of Hinduism or Islam; e.g. the Jatt Sikhs and others had broken off from mainstream Hinduism over caste discrimination and Brahminvaad, and created for themselves a rational religion that was more of a manifesto for social transformation, one that spoke about gender and caste equality.
However, over time, little of those ideals converted into practice. Caste discrimination continued, resulting in Dalit groups like the Ad Dharmis splintering out of Sikhism, and eventually leaving it entirely.
Today, as a new set of marginalized people – the small farmers amongst Jatt Sikhs – foray beyond Sikhism, the perception that Sikhism could be under threat is again gaining ground among some.

Truth is bitter which only wise-enough can consume. My question to everyone, Why we can not extend the help and support that needed by another human being, without scanning through the parameters of religion, cast, race, location, gender, politics etc.? WHY? Our Dharam (duty), is not easy passing through such parameters, we know this already. The natural way of life is its uniqueness.

You know at the end of the day, everyone passes through same door.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:25 pm

Although, Guru Nanak gave path to Sikhism, he was not the one who gave it it's symbols. Symbols that identifies or distinguishes it are the five "K"; Kara, Karpan, Kesh, Kacha, and Kanga. Guru Gobind gave the symbols with which one can distinguish a Sikh from a non-Sikh.

So truly, Sikhism was born to fight the spread and torture of Islam. Anyone claiming to be a Sikh should know this. Islam was to be spread throughout India and the world as per it's teachings, yet to stop the spread, Sikhism was born. To fight for the rights of the weak, to fight for the rights of women, to fight for the rights of all (since there is no caste system in Sikhism) and to pray when not fighting.
Anyone who identifies himself or herself as a Jatt, Rajput, etc. is going against the core principles of Sikhism. In other words is not a Sikh. If you are a Sikh only for the looks of it and don't follow the core principles you might as well stop pretending to be a Sikh.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby Bundha » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:21 pm

Sikhism was an offshoot from that society who follow the path of Hinduism or Islam;


To say that Sikhism is an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam shows a lack of understanding and frankly I would expect this kind of drivel from your typical RE teacher who has googled Sikhism on his/her laptop.

The message is pure, unique and the truth. It is not the fault of the truth that people cannot follow it. If people get stuck in discrimination or caste or inequality then they are fools and not true Sikhs.

Although, Guru Nanak gave path to Sikhism, he was not the one who gave it it's symbols. Symbols that identifies or distinguishes it are the five "K"; Kara, Karpan, Kesh, Kacha, and Kanga. Guru Gobind gave the symbols with which one can distinguish a Sikh from a non-Sikh.


There is no difference between Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Guru Gobind Singh Ji is the tenth jyote of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. One jyote in ten saroops, so the message is the same from start to finish.

So truly, Sikhism was born to fight the spread and torture of Islam.


No, Sikhism was not born to fight Islam or torture. Sikhism is a unique path to liberation, to mukhti, to merger with the Almighty.

Naam Japo, kirat karo, Wandh shako, I see no “Musslay maro” in there?

The whole of Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a path towards the Almighty, it is not a manual against Muslims, there is no hatred towards them in the whole of Guru Gran Sahib Ji.

Did Guru Nanak Dev Ji spread the message to hate and prejudice ? No, Guru Ji was inclusive and embracing.

Anyone claiming to be a Sikh should know this. Islam was to be spread throughout India and the world as per it's teachings, yet to stop the spread, Sikhism was born.


No, Guru Ji fought tyranny wherever it reared its ugly head. It just so happened that the oppressors were muslim. When the 22 hindu rajas banded together against Guru Ji then Guru Sahib Ji fought them as well.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Gobind Singh Ji Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dasam Granth Sahib Ji.
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Re: Why did sikhism take birth?

Postby ADS » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:00 am

Bundha wrote:
To say that Sikhism is an offshoot of Hinduism or Islam shows a lack of understanding and frankly I would expect this kind of drivel from your typical RE teacher who has googled Sikhism on his/her laptop.
The message is pure, unique and the truth. It is not the fault of the truth that people cannot follow it. If people get stuck in discrimination or caste or inequality then they are fools and not true Sikhs.


You have picked one sentence out of my last post, but with misunderstanding. Obviously there was a society 1469 or prior to that, in which people were following different faiths, hindus, muslims, christians, budddhists, atheists etc. (to name a few). Obviously there were differences among many. So some wise people from that society (who felt disconnected) decided to follow the path which Baba Nanak wanted show. And thats how it was all begun. Now its upto you how u define this process.

By the way self analysis of "how much true sikh one is" will give you more insight about what other basic questions that i have asked.
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