Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

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Re: Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

Postby singhbj » Tue May 22, 2012 2:02 pm

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Suji Singh ji,

Some people might not like to interact with strangers, others might think small talk is phony.
There can be various reasons to avoid such social contact.
Just because an individual wants to know someone doesn't mean that others do too !
In order to socialize you must have something of his, her or their interest.

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Re: Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

Postby drdln » Tue May 22, 2012 10:10 pm

I see lot of blame that others don't welcome you. Who are others? Are you not part of sangat too and one of others.

If you approach with love and affection, other people will reciprocate, IMO. For nirvair state of mind, there are no others. Guru Arjan ji says the same: jab te sadh sangat mien paai, vichhar gai sabh tat prai....

Many times, I go to gurdwara without meeting anyone at a new place. But that's my choice.
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Re: Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

Postby Nihal Singh Kanakpuria » Thu May 24, 2012 7:32 am

Drdln,

The thread is not about others welcoming anyone, it's simply

Have immigrant Sikhs faced difficulties in getting to know locals or assimilating .? If so should gurudwaras have a formal process which can help bring immigrants and local sangat together ? (who don't mind interacting with others)

Based on the replies , other Sikhs have faced similar issues, and sangat like bjsingh are a proof that some ppl can be unnecessarly difficult, even when reasoned , who say its their way or highway , presuming that every Sikh immigrant is from Punjab and that immigrants face these difficulties coz of the karma they have done.

M suggesting a formal process mostly for introverts and non Sikh sangat who may want to interact with local sangat , it's about making the process simpler , not imposing the process on anyone.

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Re: Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

Postby suji singh » Fri May 25, 2012 5:39 pm

Drdln wrote:

If you approach with love and affection, other people will reciprocate, IMO. For nirvair state of mind, there are no others.


You oversimplified the thrust of the discussion, reductio ad absurdum. So you think approaching with LOVE and AFFECTION would have worked with Aurangzeb, how about Nawab of Sirhand, or the kings of hill states. Guru Arjun Dev showed nothing but LOVE to everyone.

Singhbj wrote:

Some people might not like to interact with strangers, others might think small talk is phony.
There can be various reasons to avoid such social contact.


Yes, indeed, there may be individual who wish to avoid "social contact". Really, what contact are we talking about? Simple hello/hi, recognition, is what I am used to receiving/giving from/ to total strangers. Gurdwara should be a place to socialise vs. carrying on political battles.
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Re: Sikh Immigrants, inclusions, etc

Postby gursikha singh » Sun May 12, 2013 4:56 pm

Dr.Kaur wrote:1. Volunteer - lol I tried to volunteer at the gurudwara, gave my name to them, my number, filled the forms to teach the kids Punjabi at local Gurudwara and guess what - they never called me! They just stare and if you want to start a conversation they start staring the other way."


---This is true. This is typical desi attitude, typical punjabi attitude who are either arrogant or who just ignore you or who just care less about what you talk about. From where did this attitude come from??? This comes from our punjabi/india culture. Goto India and you will experience the same in any public place or anything. Indians/desis are highly unprofessional people and I have noticed this. Only a few educated ones are professional and they have proper etiquette and manners on how to talk to other people. Go meet a white guy/girl and they will never do this to you.

Dr.Kaur wrote:
Secondly if I am wearing jeans they would look at me like they are going to eat me alive lol . That just want me to go even less to the gurudwara. I mean I used to wear jeans to gurudwara in India. I can wear what ever I want as long as it is respectful to the guru.


This too is typical attitude of our pendu punjabi jatt boys, who have never seen a girl in their village and when they land in US , CANADA, UK , its their first time seeing someone wearing jeans and they are soo shameless than even the fear of Guru doesn't stop them.
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